Servant Battles...... OF EPICNESS!!! (round 2)

In order for him to implode, there must be a force to cause the implosion.
An ability that causes an implosion merely gives the force for the implosion.
Forces have vectors.
If you say, its a magical ability, the magical ability must still cause some force to occur. Otherwise, nothing can implode.

therefore, redirecting the force prevents the implosion.

The force of the arrow coming into contact with him is what causes the implosion. It is not because of some inane ability. It is merely because the arrow is traveling at 1/2 the speed of light with some insane momentum. However, accelerator can redirect that momentum regardless of how insane it is as the arrow is a vector - A force with a direction

nullset12 wrote:The force of the arrow coming into contact with him is what causes the implosion. It is not because of some inane ability. It is merely because the arrow is traveling at 1/2 the speed of light with some insane momentum. However, accelerator can redirect that momentum regardless of how insane it is as the arrow is a vector - A force with a direction

It's never specified that it isn't some inane ability, and that is how he wins. Arrow goes poke, person goes poof. The implosion is magical in nature, and acts upon his entire body, if he changes the direction of the vector he still goes boom. So he would be redirecting where his body gets dispersed to, at half the speed of light. And if you were to say he changes all the forces to the same direction so he just gets tossed in a direction, thats at a speed near half the speed of light (relatively near, these are pretty big numbers). And no human or psuedo body can withstand that much force without incinerating. (unless he is made out of some ridiculous metal that doesn't erode).

Also if that was the case, then the unactivated arrow would still make them implode, but that isn't the case, the activated arrow goes the same speed but has implosion as an added benefit.

Magi use prana. Prana is pure energy. Energy creates force. Force is a vector. Accelerator redirects vectors.

A) Energy doesn't "create" force
B) how is that statement relevant to anything?

Are you trying to prove that Accelerator is a Magi? I don't really care whether or not he is.

Darkgenesis wrote:And no human or psuedo body can withstand that much force without incinerating. (unless he is made out of some ridiculous metal that doesn't erode).

If there is force, it is redirected. He never receives the force. Therefore no damage

Are you trying to say that the simultaneous implosion of an object does not require some sort of force?

The energy used has to be creating some type of force or else accelerator would never implode.

he is redirecting the force hmm? so basically he flew one way, and then it got instantaneously redirected. Ok now let's apply this, you are going in a car at some arbitrarily large speed, and then the direction is suddenly reversed, the back end of the car is going to smush into the front end of the car, because before it can reverse direction it must slow down and stop (regardless of the force acting upon it, the time it takes to change direction just gets smaller as the force gets larger). So this guy is going to go smush into his own body. The force won't disappear just because you redirect it.

@Quan: Also the force is coming from himself (since the arrows ability is inane) so he has to redirect it somewhere, but that moves him. Get with the program like Pei-Nan

the force is redirected off his body, it does not act upon his body at that point. therefore, it is not the same as reversing his direction, it is simply making it act on something else.

the idea is, his vectors make it so the force never acts on his body. whenever force approaches his body, it is prevented from acting on him.

assuming that you ignore the above two statements and still believe the force acts upon him, manipulation of vectors allows him to spread the force. One large vector is the same as many small vectors in the same direction. As a result, the large force can be split and redirected in 360 degrees thus causing no damage and allowing him to stop.

-.- Force isn't this invisible thing that floats through the air. People say the force acting on something, but it isn't an invisible force that acts on the object externally. That would mean that I create force that exists external to myself every time I move. So the moment he gets touched by the arrow, he now has this internal force acting on him that making him implode, so if he redirects the force, he is moving himself somewhere at that ridiculous speed. Or at all, and if the force just goes poof, then taking from Seans odd set of comments, we can derive that Accelerator can make matter and energy into nothing. So the energy would have to go poof, otherwise the guy is going to burn up with all this energy inside him that isn't going anywhere.

once again, manipulation of vectors allows him to spread the force. One large vector is the same as many small vectors in the same direction. As a result, the large force can be split and redirected in 360 degrees thus causing no damage and allowing him to stop.

so instead you just made him go flying the same speed in a totally different direction? cool, we haven't solved the problem yet. And if you disperse the force in all different directions, he explodes. And vectors are straight lines so you can't make him curve and spin it all out. And if you wanted to use such small changes in angles and still not crush him, you would need a HUGE space with no obstructions. You have no viable method of dispersing / redirecting the force as I see it.
1) Make him go one direction - he incinerates
2) 1 and reverse the direction, he goes smush on himself.
3) Disperse force in all directions outwards, he goes boom.
4) Try to use a curve pattern to get him to change direction, and repeat until he the force wears off. Either the turns are too small and it is like case 1, or he needs a huge open space, and in a city he is going to go poof.

If he was made out of some super super tough material that had a really high melting point, then sure redirecting it could work. But as far as I know he is more or less human in physiological build, so scratch out of luck there. There is no apt way to disperse the force that is acting on/in him.

Caster can change the vector values of anything. As a result, he can set the force to 0. The end.

ok so the vector value is 0, and now all that energy is sitting inside him, and energy gives off heat. so the energy of half the speed of light, he just incinerated.

heat is a form of radiation. Radiation has vectors. He can set that to 0 too.

u know wat, lets just get someone else to vote or this will go on forever and turn into complete spam.

He can't make energy / mass disappear. And he has to touch the stuff to change the vector, thats why he can set the vector of himself to 0. But now the energy is there, but you don't "touch" energy, you can only touch mass. So he can't redirect the heat if he can't touch it.

Defining what he can and cannot do based on the definition of the term "touch" is too subjective. My definition of the term is different from yours but since I would rather not argue over which version of the term applies in this case, I will stop.

It is also because this is getting completely ridiculous to the point of complete spam. In fact, this argument is comparable to online religious debates on the existence of God or whether evolution is real. Someone just vote and end this.

The voteing should be over with archer as the winner but because of that win by two rule", which in my opinion is not a good rule for these kinds of things, there is no winner.

Then just make Archer the winner, I don't really care either way. The Accelerator here is fail in comparison to his actual capabilities, so I don't really care if he wins.

The problem with is that with the win by 2 rule its difficult to win when its not a landslide. But without the win by 2 rule we have to set a limiter, and early results can often be misleading. Accelerator was leading by 1 or 2 most of the time so far but now archer has the lead.

Take it up with kelvin he has the 48hours rule in play so unless he chacks right now there is no winner.

currently the time limit with the win by 2 rule is the best method, even though it frustrates me, so I have to agree with kelvin, even though I really want archer to win this.

If your gonna say it like that Amos, then as soon as the arrow is charged, archers fingers will implode and his arms will burn off from the incinerating heat. The bow won't be effected but he won't have any arms to aim with. And yes the arrows go at the speed of light, but archer doesn't have high speed dynamic vision(e.i. Clairvoyance) that allows him to aim that well. Thus caster with A rank magic and agi can propel himself at mach speeds in circles around archer to cause all the arrows to miss while creating a typhoon.

a ) I assume he activates the arrow it doesn't affect him, kind of like how Arthas' sword doesn't insta kill himself. Or how enemies wielding flaming swords don't burn themselves. It goes half the speed of light, but what does that have to do with aiming? Bullets go fast, I don't see people needing super dynamic vision to hit targets with bullets . . . . .

U still need to predict where the arrow needs to go in order to hit. Thats why u don't see people with M1's shooting down supersonic jets, cus thats what archer's vision is like without clairvoyance compared to caster's potential mana boost speed. Or even dumbfire missiles shooting down jets, cus last time I recalled, those arrows don't have lockon.
And the description of the ability was vague, so the first thing the arrow touches once charged is technically the knocking finger of the right hand, which would be missing as soon as he fires, screwing up his aim bad.

he has to activate the arrow, the unactivated arrow doesn't implode things, we didn't specify how that arrow is precisely activated, there could be a mechanism that allows for him to fire them without injuring himself. And second, just because someone can go fast doesn't mean they can register details at the speed they are going. So even if the guy speeds up to a supersonic jet, he won't be able to understand wtf is going on. Like for example, a wall coming up at him at 700 some miles an hour, from about 40 feet away.

His wings recalculate, so its all good. He can also instantly redirect his speed, AND create a tornado to obscure his overall position causing archer to needlessly waste arrows cus archer can't see through the dust.
If caster does accidentally hit a wall, he will instantly redirect himself.

It's not the calculations thats the problem, it is his perception. The wall doesn't have any force, so his passive effect won't work until he crashes into the wall, then causing force to act upon him from the wall. Just because the dark matter does calculations for him doesn't mean they run him like autopilot. And the brain doesn't react that fast to the point that he can change his direction manually before impacting the wall. Impact isn't about duration, it is over the moment something hits.

Like when an airplane crashes into the ground nose first, it isn't the time afterwords that causes extra damage to the plain its the first moment or moments in which the plane goes squish.

Again read about the instant change in speed, his body would go smush.

Nina wrote:Take it up with kelvin he has the 48hours rule in play so unless he chacks right now there is no winner.

lol, it's 48 hours, even if some1 is winning by 2, it's not gonna b over.... until the 48 hours r up... if some1 wins by 1 after the match they r the winner, if it's a tie, i'll tie break it randomly..... so even if i cheked at the time, no winner wud b declared

OH NOEZ, I CARN'T BERIVE I DIDN'T SEE, DA VILLAGAS ALL GOT DA CHINESE MARSHAL ARTS, GOT DA BUDDAH PALM, ARCHER WINS D:, DEY GOT DA CHI BRASTS AND DA INNER CHI, CHI GOTZ NO VECTAS.

You know, it was originally with enough force to destroy the sun then Kelvin made me change it.

go die in a hole, sandow

Die in the hole that he was born from? Like his mother's... Nvm...

y'all know peinan conceded defeat. I won.

Thats great, can we just speed this up a bit? Kelvin start tonight... Its make it 48 hours or until one side concedes defeat.

who said i conceded? I merely said I do not care.

o wow.... haris voted..... wutever, he's not some1's double so that's fine... now i dun hve to do tie breakers, yay

All possible members have voted, lets just speed this powerofpoo up k?

KK Chang might close the Round, but I think sticking to a strict 48 hour schedule and releasing the next Round only at that time would be a good idea.

Gives the system some validity ya know? Plus, contestants should be able to count on a consistent schedule. It wouldn't be fair if the Rounds moved on without their knowing.

also every1 has a busy schedule, if they r determined to debate, 2 games may waste too much of their time

@felix: therefore...... I REFUSE RAWR!!!!!!!!!!111111111 OMFJ IDK, LOLOLOL

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