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Post by ZedSlayer on 2010-10-09, 21:15

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Saber- kaede's
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big]Basic[/big]
True Identity: Taira no Masakado
Class:Saber
Alignment: Chaotic Good

[big]Stats[/big] total: 28.5
Strength: B (7)
Endurance: C+ (5.5)
Agility: C (5)
Mana: B+ (7.5)
Luck: D+ (3.5)

[big]Abilities[/big] total: 11
Name: Magical Resistance
Rank: A
[Description] Modern magic can not harm him.
Name: Riding
Rank: E
[Description]
Name: Magical energy burst
Rank: A
[Description]


[big]Noble Phantasms[/big] 15
Name: Katana of Masakado
Rank: EX Anti-world
[Description] The blade Masakado used while alive. Because of his ascension to a demigod this katana has received an ability to send out a large wave of light when it is activated. Its power is relative to how well his shrine in Tokyo is kept.

History: Taira no Masakado was a samurai during the Heian period in Japan. He led a small but thriving rebellion to capture three provinces - Hitachi, Shimotsuke and Kouzuke - now known as the Kanto region's Ibaraki, Tochigi and Gunma prefectures respectively. As a response to the rebellious member of the Taira clan, the Kyoto central government at the time announced the bounty on his head. At the Battle of Kojima occurring eastward of Kanto, Masakado was killed by Fujiwara no Hidesato and Taira no Sadamori, his cousin. His head was brought to Kyoto, and later to Edo where it was buried. Here he is regarded by the locals as a demigod, and a belief persists that the conditions of his shrine dictates the fortune of the metropolis.

Versus
Archer
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True Identity: Odysseus
Class:Archer
Alignment: Lawful Good

[big]Stats - 30
Strength: A 9
Endurance: C 5
Agility: A 9
Mana: B 7
Luck: E 0

[big]Abilities[/big] total: 10
Name: Eye of the mind True
Rank: A
[Description] Capable of calm analysis of battle conditions even when in danger and deduce an appropriate course of action after considering all possibilities to escape from a predicament. It takes extremely little time due to Odysseus' mental capacity.
Name: Extreme Cunning
Rank: A
[Description] Can formulate extensive battle plans to fool his enemy. Surpasses any already present, "eye of the mind", techniques


Noble Phantasms
Name: Bow of Odysseus - 14
Rank: A+ Anti-World
[Description] The legendary bow odysseus has. Said to be so strong that only odysseus can successfully fire/string the bow. Mana concentrates on the bow giving him the ability to launch multiple succesions of arrows at one time ... as many as 300 a minute. Each arrow is equivalent to an A rank noble phantasmic sword. Each arrow travels at Mach 4 due to the mana output ... making them undodgable to those with projectile resistance

History: Read the damn odyssesy..... basically hes a master archer and a good swordsman. Hes also ridiculously strong as he is the only one capable of wielding his bow. Incredibly cunning , capable of outwitting numerous monsters/groups of people at one time.

Ground: Firm
Obstacles: Short Objects
Space: Medium
Mana Resources: Sufficient

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Post by nullset12 on 2010-10-09, 21:19

Ok this is a good fight but I win due to two reasons...

1. I could launch my mach 4 arrow and hit you before you pull out your katana
2. I can dodge your wave of light with my A agility.
3. I can spam arrows if you try to close in
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Post by InteroVegas on 2010-10-09, 21:19

uhm by wave of light, do you mean like lazor type of attack like excalibur, Enuma Elish, kamehameha, etc?
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Post by nullset12 on 2010-10-09, 21:23

I'm assuming thats what she means ...

Even so i can hit her before that happens
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Post by InteroVegas on 2010-10-09, 21:26

nope, my vote is for saber, he can lazor the arrows. And then go be demigod and slice you. "Short obstructions" is pretty vague, but more or less I feel it is tied, and then I go to apply the lazor in a defensive manner. Against moses you woulda won.
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Post by ZedSlayer on 2010-10-09, 21:27

Darkgenesis wrote:uhm by wave of light, do you mean like lazor type of attack like excalibur, Enuma Elish, kamehameha, etc?
yeah, I'd say that that is a safe assumption

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Post by Corenat Rovarnus on 2010-10-09, 21:32

We need someone with a nasuverse phd gm'ing this -.-

also, I found a page that maybe should serve as a pseudo baseline for all games

http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Parameters_and_Skills
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Post by nullset12 on 2010-10-09, 21:34

I disagree ... depending on who had the first strike, they would've won.

I mean really, if i am too far for saber to see and i attack first, then i win. or you just don't see me.

If he sees me, he can "lazor" my arrows. But keep in mind that such a laser is not that large

and since my arrows move at mach 4 .. making them impossible to hear .. i have a much larger room for error compared to my opponent who not only needs to see my arrows, but move quickly enough to avoid them and launch his phantasm while still dodging arrows as I will continue to be firing them

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Post by InteroVegas on 2010-10-09, 21:39

uhm, if the arrows are going to hit him, he will be able to see them, second, his lazor would go at the speed of light, so yeah.
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Post by kaede on 2010-10-09, 21:39

Its like excalibur sorry I forgot to put that.

1) saber easly get behind you using magical energy burst to get to speeds up to mach 10 (14 if a command spell is used to boost his abilities) and can simply cut you down from behind

2) how are you going to dodge an anti-world NP id understand if you have a way to teleport out of the way but you dont have a NP like that.

3) Look at reason one ill be moving to fast for you to see him.

Also read the iliad your servant is a stragetist not a warrior he was mainly used to devise plans to attack/get into troy and later in the odyssesy using his mind to get out of situations.
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Post by nullset12 on 2010-10-09, 22:12

You did not specify what magical prana burst did ... for all i know that just makes your mana levels higher than normal.

OHH and yes i would have already formulated a battle strategy to beat you and thanks to my eye ot the mind, i would have devised an escape to your anti-world.



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Post by kaede on 2010-10-09, 22:18

Read fate stay night you should know what it does its one of sabers best skills ,it allows her to go faster or hit harder with it she can fight berserker head on, so i didnt think a description was needed but i shall edit it in because some people may need it.

Also its called normally Prana burst when translated but I went with Mirror Moons VN way of saying it and put magical energy burst.

Also remember the best laid plans never go off as planed especially mid battle.
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Post by nullset12 on 2010-10-09, 22:20

Yes i am well aware of what it can do, but you need to write it or people will get confused.

It happened to me the first game, its just a reminder
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Post by kaede on 2010-10-09, 22:27

Ok also have you seen the size of an excalibur blast? Thats basically what my NP is but on a grander scale. Also remember that servants get a power boost depending on how well known they are in the area because my servant is a demi-god who is still respected all over japan because the state of his shrine is tied to the state of japan i'd say he would get a rather large power boost but i dont know if that is implemented in this game.

Also to show how large excalibur is incase some people dont know.

http://web.archive.org/web/20070511032258/http://fuyuki.pbwiki.com/Artifact#General

just scroll down to excalibur.
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Post by kaede on 2010-10-09, 22:53

Hey does the gm mind if I add something I forgot to put in my character (descriptions of skills)

Magical energy burst.
Increase of performance by impregnating one's weapons and body with magical energy and instantly expelling it. Simply put, recreating the effect of jet burst by expending large amounts of prana. Can reach speeds up to mach 10 and increases defense by 2x the users adverage ammount.


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Post by ZedSlayer on 2010-10-09, 23:00

if it's not on the posted character sheet up top, then no, you can't use because you didn't pay for it.

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Post by kaede on 2010-10-09, 23:03

I paid for it. go look i just forgot to add a description.
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Post by The Lord Kelvin on 2010-10-09, 23:12

@Corenat Rovarnus wrote:We need someone with a nasuverse phd gm'ing this -.-

also, I found a page that maybe should serve as a pseudo baseline for all games

http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Parameters_and_Skills

lol, i've used this site for both of my characters so far, also both peinan and i (who have both hve phd's) have volunteered to gm next time
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Post by kaede on 2010-10-09, 23:13

I use that and fuyuki wiki fuyuki wiki I find is a bit more helpful then typemoon wiki but futuki wiki as far as I know is dead.
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Post by kaede on 2010-10-09, 23:17

Ill close this topic there is a clear winner unless people want to change there vote.
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Post by ZedSlayer on 2010-10-09, 23:18

fine, edit all skill info in

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Post by InteroVegas on 2010-10-09, 23:19

blarg well archer wins (although the mach 10 speed should have counted for something).
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Post by ZedSlayer on 2010-10-09, 23:20

yeah, at such close quarters such bs speeds could probably be treated as instantaneous

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Post by kaede on 2010-10-09, 23:24

Why bother the topic is winner is decided im just giving people 10min to decide weather they want to change there votes.

And yeah I think archer would have lost because it would take alot of prana to activate his NP and despite what he says there is no way his servant can dodge a anit-world NP and the mach 10 speed would have been a great advantage over mach 4 arrows no matter how many there are if you are traveling faster then he can shoot the arrows (how I see his NP its he shoots one arrow into the air that then into a bunch of others that fall at mach 4 because shooting 300 arrows per minute would be impossible even for a servant)

But anyway good job null.
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Post by Zhu Yang on 2010-10-09, 23:27

I feel that this might be a bit like Ea vs Excalibur, but with a major difference:
-Quan Dao has an A+ Anti-World NP, while Kaede has an EX Anti-World NP. Odysseus's situation is significantly better than Saber's was against Gilgamesh, since he has the added benefit of Anti-World status. With the clash not being so lopsided, Archer could implement his back-up strategy during the clash with Saber's lazors, since he has more time to do so. Don't underestimate his arrows, they are Anti-World. No need to dodge.

Also, Archer's strength and and Agility are of a higher level than Saber's. It would be possible for him to block/deflect Saber's blows even with prana burst. Since he has better reflexes, he will be able to react even if Saber approaches him at high speeds.

Also, Larry you should specify what the short objects are like. Because, chances are Archer can use those to escape from Saber using his Cunning, and spam Caladbolg type things at her from a distance.

EDIT: Oh wow it's over. xD
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Post by InteroVegas on 2010-10-09, 23:36

uhm man I am pretty sure even if you have improved reflexes, you can't even block mach 10, because you can't move fast enough to block against it.
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Post by ZedSlayer on 2010-10-09, 23:40

regardless, da peoplez haz spoken, Archer wins.

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Post by kaede on 2010-10-09, 23:44

I dont see how he would be able to Caladbolg type NP he is just shooting arrows that are equal to an A rank NP he does not have ascess to traceing so he cant use anything like archers Caladbolg I suppose he could make all the arrows broken phantasms but that would drain his mana faster and takes a brief ammount of time to convert a NP into a BP and that would be more than enough time for saber to get close to archer and slash him.

Also remember stats are not everything remember saber from F/SN with shirou as master had less stats then berserker and gilgamesh but she could still take them on in a pretty even fight and rider put up a decent fight and was going to land the final blow with her NP until saber used excalibur.
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Post by Zhu Yang on 2010-10-09, 23:49

What was Assassin doing against Saber? Wait, what were ALL of the servants doing against Saber?
And she was Mach 12 if I recall correctly.

Sorry for the confusion, Caladbolg style if I were to clarify. Like blasting her from like a bazillion yards away.

Saber was losing against Berserker with those stats even with Prana Burst, and her stats were pretty equal to Gilgamesh's. I think the stats matched up to the feats pretty decently.

Nina: Your thinking of Hrunting that was his huge distance arrow with seeking capabilities.


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Post by Corenat Rovarnus on 2010-10-10, 15:40

luogenhu wrote:What was Assassin doing against Saber? Wait, what were ALL of the servants doing against Saber?
And she was Mach 12 if I recall correctly.

Sorry for the confusion, Caladbolg style if I were to clarify. Like blasting her from like a bazillion yards away.

Saber was losing against Berserker with those stats even with Prana Burst, and her stats were pretty equal to Gilgamesh's. I think the stats matched up to the feats pretty decently.

Nina: Your thinking of Hrunting that was his huge distance arrow with seeking capabilities.
What were they doing? Losing, that's what, and no saber's stats are higher than gil's, or at least they would be if she had a better master, which she gets in UBW.
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