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Post by The Lord Kelvin on 2010-11-10, 17:42

ASSASSIN VS SABER!!!

Assassin
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True Identity: M. C. Escher

Class: Asssassin

Alignment: True Neutral

Bio: Maurits Cornelis Escher (17 June 1898 ? 27 March 1972), usually referred to as M. C. Escher was a Dutch graphic artist. He is known for his often mathematically inspired woodcuts, lithographs, and mezzotints. These feature impossible constructions, explorations of infinity, architecture, and tessellations.





Stats

Strength: D+

Endurance: B

Agility: D+

Mana: A

Luck: B



Abilities

Name: Presence Concealment

Rank: E

[Description] The capacity to hide one's presence as a Servant. Suitable for concealing oneself behind cover.


Name: Mental Pollution

Rank: A

[Description] Due possessing a distorted mentality, it is highly possible to shut out any mental interference. However, at the same time it becomes impossible to come to an understanding with individuals that do not possess an equivalent rank of mental pollution.



Name: Knowledge of Respect and Harmony

Rank: A

[Description] Prevents decrease in the effectiveness of a technique, regardless how many times it is used against the same opponent. Any and all actions cannot be perceived by the enemy.



Noble Phantasms



Name: Non-Euclidean Space

Rank: EX

Type: Support

[Description] A marble phantasm that represents Escher's distorted world. Envelopes all personnel within the area and sends them to a mathematically impossible and virtually boundless building complex. All normal laws of physics and primal forces hold no meaning in this space or are distorted beyond comprehension, and will continually change spontaneously. Gravity, diffusion/osmosis, magnetics and electricity, if existent at all, will frequently change direction(s) or severity, sometimes disappearing altogether or becoming so harsh that multicellular life is virtually impossible, if it weren’t already. The only one that can effectively navigate this space is Escher, and this space grants Escher free movement. Escher seemingly is able to teleport anywhere, walk through walls, ceilings, and floors, and move in a manner that is physically impossible through complete understanding of this space. All other persons who enter this space will take a Luck and Mana check and if the total point value exceeds 13, then they are able to navigate by adapting rapidly, but lowers their Mana and Luck by one rank each, having to constantly re-adapt to the ever changing physical laws. Those who do not pass the check are thrown into a state of confusion and have all their stats reduced by 40%. Those less with rank C Mana cannot even begin to comprehend the space and cannot navigate no matter how hard they try, as they would be walking in endless circles even if they perceive that they are moving, in addition to suffering the stat penalty. Regardless, any Clairvoyance or similar skill is reduced by 2 ranks. In addition to the impossible physical laws, matter in this area is also not as it seems, and there are floors and walls that can be passed through even though they seem perfectly solid, leading many to fall to their doom or fly through the ceiling even though they were attempting to walk straight. The structure of the entire building spontaneously rearranges itself, causing floors, ceilings, and all physical decorations to morph into something completely different. This does not usually occur in a linear fashion, elements can flow to different locations as if they were a different state temporarily, and certain zones undergo massive fluctuations, warping space-time itself, anything caught in the warp will be simultaneously ripped/stretched to pieces, random body portions teleported out and of course crushed to a singularity. Many traps(mundane and extraordinary) also exist in the complex, leading unsuspecting people to their deaths. Like Escher, the building pieces and everything else are also able to teleport, except it happens randomly and uncontrollably, teleporting a person into a trap, or a block teleporting into one’s body or just setting you back further, depending on your luck. Also, even the number of given dimensions in a certain area can vary, getting stuck in any lower dimensional area will obviously result in being either frozen in time(3D), flattened and immobilized(2D), or crushed down to a single point(1D). The Mana of the atmosphere inside the marble is equal to "None" and all servants except Escher inside of the marble have their connections to their Masters cut off, thus if they cannot defeat Escher within 2 hours(The clock still ticks while you are frozen in time), they will dissipate due to lack of Mana. The period of time can be extended by Independent Action skills. If a weapon destroys this space, and Escher is still alive, then all the properties of the weapon are reversed, rendering it unusable under normal circumstances.



Name: Moebius Flail

Rank: A

Type: Anti-Personal

[Description] A Weapon that represents the idea of the moebius strip, an infinite looping that joins itself. It is a weapon that only has one side, thus making every swing surely hit the enemy, even if the path looks physically impossible there is only one path and the weapon will take that path to the enemy. Even though it may not be easy to believe just by looking at it, each impact of this weapon can reach kilotons of force.

Saber
Spoiler:
Class: Saber
True identity: Nina
Alignment: Neutral

Abilities:
Strength: C 5
Endurance: B 7
Agility: C 5
Mana: A 9
Luck: E 0
Skills:

Bravery A 5
The ability to cancel mental interference such as pressure, confusion, and mesmerization and increases melee damage by one rank.

Eye of the Mind (True) A 5
Capable of calm analysis of battle conditions even when in danger and deduce an appropriate course of action after considering all possibilities to escape from a predicament. Being able to predict how the enemy will attack and from where, chances of winning are greatly improved even in the most dire of circumstances.

Protection from arrows A 5
Can track any kind of thrown weapon with eyes and deal with them regardless of range or spread.

Noble Phantasm:

Library of Great Knowledge
Rank EX Anti-World 15
Nina’s Reality Marble that appears as a great field surrounded by books that only she can open and a large tree in the center of her world. While she is within her world she is capable of reproducing any great ability or item she has seen, whether it be in a book, visual novel, anime, or video game but the ability is downgraded by two ranks ex. she recreates sabers Excalibur instead of it being A++ it would be an A rank attack or if she creates majoras mask she cannot drop the moon but can drop a large meteor that can destroy half a a city.

Library of Great Knowledge-Weapon Creation
Rank B Support 9
Her only ability outside of her reality marble with it she can recreate a perfect copy of any weapon she has seen in her lifetime ,be it real of fictional, but like her reality marble the weapon is downgraded by two ranks and if the weapon has a magical ability it too is downgraded while NP weapons recreated lose their ability and are just strong weapons. Example. She recreates the Master Sword from the Zelda series but when used by one of an evil heart uses it it just burns the one who grabs it instead of repelling them, and a created Gae Bolg cannot pierce the heart of a target automatically.
In high prana she can make an unlimited number of items
In medium prana she can make up to 25 items
in low Prana she can make up to 15 items
In no prana she can create 5 items

Ground: Firm
Obstacles: None
Space: Vast (Big Field)
Mana Resources: Extremely High.
Temperature: Scorching Hot
Lighting: Bright


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Post by nullset12 on 2010-11-10, 18:13

the weird space thing counteracts any weapons nina might create
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Post by kaede on 2010-11-10, 18:22

kelvin can we please have the terrain so we can start debating?

Also sabers reality marble would be able to overide assassins because its stronger so the effects of it wouldnt take place ,(if im wrong please correct me), and with eye of the mind (true) at A I can tell what path your flail will take and can block it.
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Post by nullset12 on 2010-11-10, 18:32

idk it does state that it is unblockable?
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Post by Corenat Rovarnus on 2010-11-10, 18:50

True Eye of the Mind is general strategy...Escher happens to have Knowledge of respect and harmony so that's cancelled out. Eye of the Mind is NOT clairvoyance, let me get this straight, it does not help you see or hear better, you just make better decisions based on what you can.
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Post by kaede on 2010-11-10, 18:51

It says shurley hit the enemy but with protection from arrows I can block all projectiles regardless of range or spread and I belive the flail is being used as a ranged weapon because it can hit from anywhere so it does fall into the catagory of projectile.
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Post by Corenat Rovarnus on 2010-11-10, 19:11

It is not a projectile, I think amos will agree on this, the flail is never let go of by Escher, so he hasn't thrown it, it is an extended reach strike and still under his control when it hits, like rider's chains, except with a greater degree of control and direction.
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Post by The Lord Kelvin on 2010-11-10, 19:15

almost forgot about the battle grounds, srry, it's up
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Post by kaede on 2010-11-10, 19:17

The handle assassin is grasping would not be a projectile the head that is connected by a chain could be considered a projectile because it is leaving you and going twoards me thus would fall into a projectile catagory.
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Post by Corenat Rovarnus on 2010-11-10, 19:20

awesome, and the reality marbles are the same rank, EX, so they overlap, the type(anti-world vs support) doesn't really matter for that kind of NP, only for offensive weaponry.

nope, its still not a projectile, by your definition the head of a spear could be considered as a projectile when stabbing since its going towards you and leaving the other guy, that is too all inclusive.
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Post by kaede on 2010-11-10, 19:40

that is not what I ment it is a projectile because you have to throw the head that is attached to the handle but whatever i'll just go by what it says in my description of protection from arrows thrown weapons and because the mace head is being thrown at me and it will take the appropriate direction to try and hit me and can be blocked with protection from arrows.

Actually I think the RM would cancel each other out because they are the same rank and gaia would proably destroy the two RM because they conflict with the world too much(this is still the nasuverse and gaia will destroy RM)leading to an outside fight where I belive saber could defeat assassin because she can create an unlimited number of weapons of varying types , from short range mid range and long range, due to the ammount of mana in the area.
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Post by Corenat Rovarnus on 2010-11-10, 19:54

how do you know he's throwing it and not vrooping it with his mind powers or something
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Post by kaede on 2010-11-10, 20:05

Does he have mind powers or something like it? I would say not because it is not in his description.
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Post by Xenoe on 2010-11-10, 20:54

The ball will hit u even if you think you block or dodge it. Cus the path will warp to get you.
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Post by kaede on 2010-11-10, 21:08

Even if blocked it would still be a hit because it is hitting the target and the target is defending against the hit. Nowhere in the description of the NP does it say it will be a perfect hit on the target everytime it is used it just says "making every swing surely hit the enemy".
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Post by Xenoe on 2010-11-10, 21:21

not hit your shield, hit your body, the shield ain't you right?
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Post by ZedSlayer on 2010-11-10, 22:22

what if the target is surrounded by a 129600(360*360) degree impregnable barrier of some sort? with absolutely no way in to hit the foe, your moebius strip is rendered ineffective. and how is a one sided piece of metal insta-hit, that makes no sense.

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Post by Corenat Rovarnus on 2010-11-11, 00:15

that's awesome, just tell me where nina could have possibly seen something like that in her life and how she would survive inside it without oxygen, and you got this one in the bag.
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Post by Xenoe on 2010-11-11, 00:20

bends right through, its ONE sided Very Happy, you don't need to know the definition, as long as there is a way in, it can get in. Those who can stand kilotons of pressure won't instantly die, perfect logic hun?

doesn't say sh!t about how nina is able to use all the phantasms she summons though, like heck gilgamesh doesn't have a clue about how to use most of his stuff.
archer is able to use it cus he has tracing, hes able to ANALYZE the weapon before creating it.
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Post by ZedSlayer on 2010-11-11, 00:31

yes, but if she pulled Mewtwo's blue bubble out of her ass, then you wouldn't be able to touch her, right?

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Post by Corenat Rovarnus on 2010-11-11, 00:37

@ZedSlayer wrote:yes, but if she pulled Mewtwo's blue bubble out of her ass, then you wouldn't be able to touch her, right?

Please explain what exactly that is, give links too because you will invariably say something like "a big honking invincible sphere thing", I am out of touch with Pokemon.


Also, if we are going with the assumption that the reality marbles cancel out, then technically she cannot make that because it isn't an offensive weapon, its a shield type thing, and frankly seems like a plot device IMO.
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Post by ZedSlayer on 2010-11-11, 00:48

I screwed up, it was Mew's not his clone's
http://www.dragoart.com/tuts/1532/1/2/how-to-draw-mew-from-pokemon.htm
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Post by Corenat Rovarnus on 2010-11-11, 02:03

Right, ok, all I see is a how to draw tutorial on a remarkable female-dominated site with GENUINELY NICE PEOPLE. but you still haven't explained to me how it works.
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Post by ZedSlayer on 2010-11-11, 08:36

it's an invincible barrier all around the caster, did you not realize that from my earlier comments?

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Post by kaede on 2010-11-11, 11:16

This is an outside battle because gaia would crush the two RM when they are created at the same time so created items would be weapons only saber can create an unlimited ammount of weapons because of the high mana in the area and the weapons can be used for defense saber can craft weapons en mass to create a barrier around her then send the weapons at assassin like a sword rain or can create a long range weapon like a bolter from warhammer 40K with Metal Storm Frag shells and use each bullet as a broken phantasm and attack assassin like that.
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Post by Xenoe on 2010-11-11, 15:59

@larry, shield is reduced by two ranks so its not all encompassing and breakable.
@nina, please tell me how you won't die first, great theory in all, but one mace to the face and your dead. Protection of Arrows cancels out with Knowledge of respect and harmony, because even if you know its coming, you can't perceive it.
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Post by kaede on 2010-11-11, 23:12

gah sorry I think my friend logged onto my comp. when I was resting I didnt post that.

Anyway I as far as I can tell the mace head is not an instantanious hit so I would still have a bit of time to attack and eye of the mind would help in some way to survive at least two hits from the mace.

Also you and wayne have to agree on how the flail works he says that it is like a guided riders chain and you say it warps to get to an opponent. It would help if I knew which it was.

And larry while that is a very good idea using mews bubble it can be broken very easly play the game pokemon snap in the last level it can be broken with an apple and in sabers RM it would be lowered by two ranks meaning something like a penny can break it in one hit so it would not be sitiable for servant battles.
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Post by ZedSlayer on 2010-11-12, 00:23

Games are non-canon, except for setting purposes

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Post by kaede on 2010-11-12, 10:57

Actually the main games like FR,SS,Plat, and B&W are canon, the manga and misc games like pokemon stadium are semi canon and anime is non canon. Anyway this is not a place to discuss whether the anime is cannon or not so back on topic.
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Post by Corenat Rovarnus on 2010-11-12, 11:31

@ZedSlayer wrote:it's an invincible barrier all around the caster, did you not realize that from my earlier comments?
Right, I told you to explain to me in detail, and this is what you gave me:

@ZedSlayer wrote:yes, but if she pulled Mewtwo's blue bubble out of her ass, then you wouldn't be able to touch her, right?
Ok, so it prevents sexual molesting. I can't touch her, but the flail can and any other weapon. Problem?

@ZedSlayer wrote:I screwed up, it was Mew's not his clone's
http://www.dragoart.com/tuts/1532/1/2/how-to-draw-mew-from-pokemon.htm
first picture, invincible shield
invincible shield is almost worse than "big honking sphere of invincibility" in detail.

The reason I want details is that this invincible sphere could be like this: Nothing gets in or out. If that's how it is, that means nina can't attack me from inside it, and air/oxygen can't go in. so all I'd have to do is wait for her to take it down or suffocate to death. And that's exactly what you said it is, therefore Assassin wins.



Nina wrote:gah sorry I think my friend logged onto my comp. when I was resting I didnt post that.

Anyway I as far as I can tell the mace head is not an instantanious hit so I would still have a bit of time to attack and eye of the mind would help in some way to survive at least two hits from the mace.

Also you and wayne have to agree on how the flail works he says that it is like a guided riders chain and you say it warps to get to an opponent. It would help if I knew which it was.

And larry while that is a very good idea using mews bubble it can be broken very easly play the game pokemon snap in the last level it can be broken with an apple and in sabers RM it would be lowered by two ranks meaning something like a penny can break it in one hit so it would not be sitiable for servant battles.

those can be mutually exclusive, it is guided with his mind. Problem?
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Post by ZedSlayer on 2010-11-12, 16:45

I was expecting a troll science

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Post by The Lord Kelvin on 2010-11-12, 20:13

Coin Flip Time!!!!

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Post by nullset12 on 2010-11-12, 21:03

O wow only 6 votes though
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Post by Corenat Rovarnus on 2010-11-12, 21:06

lol escher won without me having to vote....I guess it really was for the better if I withdraw, because I've got a pretty good hunch that people were switching over to larry because they thought I was cheating. Which is a legitimate accusation that I can understand but that shouldn't dictate your vote.
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Post by kaede on 2010-11-12, 22:53

Ah well I lost no biggie I kinda expected to lose against avenger but somehow won against him.

Anyway are we going to be doing another servant battles after this or are we going to move on to something else? Because though I dont know about anyone else I wouldnt mind playing vamp hunt again or finding another game we can play.
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Post by The Lord Kelvin on 2010-11-13, 05:22

@nullset12 wrote:O wow only 6 votes though

lol, it's been 2 days tho
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Post by nullset12 on 2010-11-13, 10:56

Really kelvin? I guess i havent logged in much this week
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