Servant Battles 2 Round 1

by ZedSlayer 2010-10-07, 21:42

Caster

Spoiler:

Versus

Lancer

Spoiler:

Ground: Dry
Obstacles: None
Size: Vast
Mana: Extremely High
Caster's Territory: Yes

You have 1 day, Please post reasoning.

by **Capitalist Pig** 2010-10-07, 21:48

Battle begins, Cappadocia charges and knocks down with hooves, Lancer uses Ascalon, battle end.

by **InteroVegas** 2010-10-07, 21:52

ok lets see, this assumed A) that moses was doing nothing, B) that someone can pull off an attack after a hard stop on a person.

I would have gone with lancer on any other zone but the crazy mana, and casters territory, schools you. Just too much power here.

by **Capitalist Pig** 2010-10-07, 21:55

Bear in mind that Caster does NOT have High Speed Divine Level Thaumaturgy, and to do any spells strong enough to get past my Magic Resistance he has to chant. By which time he is dead.

by ZedSlayer 2010-10-07, 21:57

your E ranked Magical Resistance? that will be Child's play to penetrate.

by **Capitalist Pig** 2010-10-07, 21:58

....
But still, he has to chant, and unless he can chant faster than I can run up to him, 150 km/h, he's screwed.

by ZedSlayer 2010-10-07, 22:00

Vast Feild, you need to get past both his army and his temple to reach him, and he has his Snake familiar IF you manage to get that far, assuming sheer weight of numbers doesn't simply wipe you out.

by **Corenat Rovarnus** 2010-10-07, 22:01

uh huh, so the horse can travel 150 km/h, so can most cars, and what happens to cars during a zombie apocalypse? clogged up, abandoned, or zombies inside because the drivers were stupid enough to think they could run over that giant horde. That's exactly what happens here. a crowd of 175 people pop up, that horse will go through at most half of them before it loses speed, then the rest pile on top of it and rape it. Acting as a meat shield is no problem with Bravery for everyone. Same thing with that spear, it's only anti-unit while he's facing an army here.

by **Capitalist Pig** 2010-10-07, 22:02

So, are you saying that his army and snake can travel at 150 km/h?

by **Capitalist Pig** 2010-10-07, 22:03

what's to stop him from going AROUND teh army and dodging all of caster's spells anyway?

by **Corenat Rovarnus** 2010-10-07, 22:09

Capitalist Pig wrote:....
But still, he has to chant, and unless he can chant faster than I can run up to him, 150 km/h, he's screwed.

noble phantasms don't need long chants, they aren't spells.

Capitalist Pig wrote:what's to stop him from going AROUND teh army and dodging all of caster's spells anyway?

well, what is around his army and spells for george to go to? Nothing, moses is right in the middle of his army inside his temple. Did you seriously think he'd put everything in a nice straight line for you?

by **InteroVegas** 2010-10-07, 22:10

and if his army is AROUND him? And we didn't even take his spells into account, once the zombies/israelites pile on to your guy, your guy is stuck and screwed. In fact, like none of the servants could take this servant on in these ridiculously favorable terms, high mana, caster territory, epic rape.

by **Corenat Rovarnus** 2010-10-07, 22:12

Nah, a good Anti-Army NP will clear out the horde, as well as SN caster's beam spam. Archer-class servants will love the cannon fodder. Too bad George has none of these.

by ZedSlayer 2010-10-07, 22:12

@ Amos probably true, however all circumstances were completely randomized by a roll of dice

by **Capitalist Pig** 2010-10-07, 22:12

What's to stop me from running around really fast killing all of his men?

by ZedSlayer 2010-10-07, 22:16

your anti- unit NPs for one, also, your spear is EX ranked even with Massive ambient Mana resources, you might get off ten shots with it, that's maybe 20/175 Israelites, assuming that you can stab through one.

by **Corenat Rovarnus** 2010-10-07, 22:16

Capitalist Pig wrote:What's to stop me from running around really fast killing all of his men?

you don't flinch when your old theory's proven to be 100% BS, you keep face and just post another BS theory, I like your approach but the votes are against you. His men are in a dense formation, going straight in would result in being swarmed, the only way you could 'run around really fast and kill all of them' is by circling around the army repeatedly, killing a bunch of people on the fringe and then moving on so they can't get you. 175 people, I think it'd take quite a long time to cut them all down that way. And I don't think moses will just sit there watching you do it. You're completely vulnerable and he knows exactly where you will go next.

by **Capitalist Pig** 2010-10-07, 22:18

I don't have to skewer them, lances are used primarily as slashing weapons. If they surround me, spin around and slash, klling them all. and because of the ambient mana, my horse would prolly be up to a b or an a.

by **Capitalist Pig** 2010-10-07, 22:19

and I don't have to activate Ascalon for each one, I can just use it as a normal lance.
Does f/sn lancer use gae bolg agasint every enemy?

by ZedSlayer 2010-10-07, 22:20

his lance has a cross for a point, it might be able to impale one of them straight through, however, then he needs to clean off two bodies, and get them past his cross hilt, that would be interesting to watch.
Lances were uesd to Stab people from horseback, they were not slashing weapons, quit pulling powerofpoo out of your ass

by **Corenat Rovarnus** 2010-10-07, 22:21

Good, you're being very predictable, next time you get surrounded and have to spinzaku, moses just hits you with some random C rank spell which gets boosted. your NP is not boosted by ambient mana, only spells are and I doubt this being his territory you'd get the use of it.
Lancer never fought an army. because he would lose.

by **nullset12** 2010-10-07, 22:23

Lancer gets raped up the ass hole .... plain and simple

by **Capitalist Pig** 2010-10-07, 22:24

I didn't pull that out of my ass, that was almost directly quoted from Fate/stay night.

by **InteroVegas** 2010-10-07, 22:25

if your weapon had been a mace and you had been a berserker, I would have found this a closer match, but the weapon your character uses is not suited for killing multiple enemies.

by **nullset12** 2010-10-07, 22:26

lancers fight one on one ... now if you had an anti army phantasm

by **InteroVegas** 2010-10-07, 22:27

even then, the insane advantage moses has here is overpowering. Sandow wouldn't just need a move that evens the playing field, he would need a move that moses is inherently weak against based on moses' build.

by ZedSlayer 2010-10-07, 22:27

Capitalist Pig wrote:I don't have to skewer them, lances are used primarily as slashing weapons. If they surround me, spin around and slash, klling them all.

Quote from the "Lance" wiki page " The term from the 17th century came to refer specifically to spears not thrown, used for thrusting by heavy cavalry, and especially in jousting. The Roman cavalry long thrusting spear was not called lance, but contus (from Greek language kontos, barge-pole). It was usually 3 to 4 m long, and grasped with both hands. It was used by equites contariorum and equites catafractarii, fully armed and armoured cataphracts."

you pulled that out of your ass shut up, failure

by **Capitalist Pig** 2010-10-07, 22:31

This isn't real life, this is the Nasuverse, in which all Lancers use their weapons for slashing, not a single one who doesn't.

by **nullset12** 2010-10-07, 22:31

once again ... raped up the ass

by **InteroVegas** 2010-10-07, 22:31

no he didn't, he is most likely trying to use the spear like a halberd or glaive, which is similar to the lance except that it slashes instead of piercing (well the halberd can do both). But sandow you specified this weapon to have a spear head and not a blade for a head. Thus this weapon can not slash effectively.

by ZedSlayer 2010-10-07, 22:32

Capitalist Pig wrote:This isn't real life, this is the Nasuverse, in which all Lancers use their weapons for slashing, not a single one who doesn't.

how exactly do you intend to slash with a spear from horse back?

by **nullset12** 2010-10-07, 22:33

1. How long do you expect to spin around like a retard without getting dizzy
2. Regardless of how fast you spin, eventually you will be hit by a sword/spell and die

by **InteroVegas** 2010-10-07, 22:35

uhm, he can spin in different directions to avoid getting dizzy, but the mass amount of people is the major problem here. This is not like against merlin, where this guy would have absolutely crushed merlin. Insta win against the dragons, then go stabby stab merlin. But moses has a horde type of units following him, which are miserable for pretty much any non caster class to fight. Aside from odysseus and maybe one other.

by ZedSlayer 2010-10-07, 22:36

Assassin may have been able to blow them all up, but Assassin isn't the one fighting here

by **Capitalist Pig** 2010-10-07, 22:37

Its almost Ironic that I lose here for the same reason I lose at Crucis:No ranged attacks.

by **nullset12** 2010-10-07, 22:37

Its a stupid lancer ... and really ... no magic resistance at all

by ZedSlayer 2010-10-07, 22:38

he has E ranked, at that level it's basically a point sink

by **The Lord Kelvin** 2010-10-07, 22:40

o wow.... i luv how i won this without actually saying anything...... ty for ur support guyz, and really.... wtf..... a slashing lance.... u cud swing it, but it wudn't b quite as lethal or effetive as stabbing..... plus the israelites aren't zombies.... look at their stats......

by ZedSlayer 2010-10-07, 22:41

yeah, for that one point he could have made one of his NP's anti- army, oh well, it sucks to be him

by **nullset12** 2010-10-07, 22:42

Yeah they are pretty powerful israelites...

by **InteroVegas** 2010-10-07, 22:42

yeah its over, once 6 votes are in, if someone has a 2 point or higher lead, its game over. Caster wins.

by **nullset12** 2010-10-07, 22:43

Don't start the next round till tommorow afternoon ... i'm going to sleep

by ZedSlayer 2010-10-07, 22:43

fine, whatever, lock it up, Caster is declared winner

by **The Lord Kelvin** 2010-10-07, 22:44

locked....

by **Corenat Rovarnus** 2010-10-08, 11:10

Darkgenesis wrote:uhm, he can spin in different directions to avoid getting dizzy, but the mass amount of people is the major problem here. This is not like against merlin, where this guy would have absolutely crushed merlin. Insta win against the dragons, then go stabby stab merlin. But moses has a horde type of units following him, which are miserable for pretty much any non caster class to fight. Aside from odysseus and maybe one other.

amos you take all the other classes far too lightly...Archers would just pick off moses at range, and maybe snipe all the israelites if they're blocking his scope, and Assassin could just sneak past them, blending into the crowd, maybe he'd be detected if he ran into Joshua.

Capitalist Pig wrote:Its almost Ironic that I lose here for the same reason I lose at Crucis:No ranged attacks.

That's not ironic, that is poetic justice. What would be ironic is if you used ranged attacks in one game and not the other and still lost.

itsame273 wrote:o wow.... i luv how i won this without actually saying anything...... ty for ur support guyz, and really.... wtf..... a slashing lance.... u cud swing it, but it wudn't b quite as lethal or effetive as stabbing..... plus the israelites aren't zombies.... look at their stats......

Bravery, zombies are also quite apathetic (bord...) towards explosions and stuff, they are similar.

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