Servant battles first match.

by **kaede** 2010-09-23, 00:03

Ok the first match shall begin!!!
Berserker

Spoiler:

Rider

Spoiler:

Terrain:
Ground: Hard (cement), Firm (grass)
Obsticles: Trees, small buildings
Space: Large (Park 1/2 the size of central park in NY city)
Mana resources: Medium

There is no vote canceling so vote carefully. Feel free to have some explain why you voted the way you did and to argue why which servant is better than the other.

by **dinasemrys** 2010-09-23, 05:45

Berserker because even with medium mana resources, rider should not be able to pull off its NP with E mana. Even if it did, Berserker stats are much higher than the swarm of riders. Berserker's agility, endurance, and strength would allow it to dodge the riders easily and destroy them without dieing that easily.

by **nullset12** 2010-09-23, 09:46

Rider lacks the mana to do any of his noble phantasms without killing himself

by **kaede** 2010-09-23, 11:11

Was originally going to be Archer but I dont have sandows character sheet. If anyone sees him tell him to pm me his sheet again.

by **Corenat Rovarnus** 2010-09-23, 13:32

Nuuuuu azn invasion ftw

by **Capitalist Pig** 2010-09-23, 15:29

also, how long is each round going to be up and what happens in a tie?

by **kaede** 2010-09-23, 15:36

A tie will ~~result in a double elimination~~ be resolved by my vote (I will not vote unless its to break a tie). Also i'll leave the voting open for about...4-5 days.

Also please vote at the top. And vote on servants realistically dont just vote for them because they are cool or whatever superficial reason you can come up with. Compare the stats the NP and the terrain.

by **InteroVegas** 2010-09-23, 17:07

dinasemrys wrote:Berserker because even with medium mana resources, rider should not be able to pull off its NP with E mana. Even if it did, Berserker stats are much higher than the swarm of riders. Berserker's agility, endurance, and strength would allow it to dodge the riders easily and destroy them without dieing that easily.

The rules for battles says to assume that each servant all out each match, so unless it would be suicidal for him to use his NP I would think he would win (if it is suicidal then I have no idea whether or not it is supposed to be put into consideration). There is a difference between a small squad of soldiers and a portion of the large Hun army.

by **nullset12** 2010-09-23, 17:36

He barely has any mana .... if he uses his EX rank noble phantasm, he'll lose the little mana he has left and will disappear

by **InteroVegas** 2010-09-23, 17:54

The rules on the original site said to assume they go all out, not thinking of conserving anything, that is just what the rules say. And I would guess that it would make a difference because someone would rather go all out and win a round, rather than just straight up lose without trying.

by **kaede** 2010-09-23, 18:15

Hey amos can you pm me the original site I lost the url for it.

by **InteroVegas** 2010-09-23, 18:20

oh I used the old topic that had the link in it, but it was a distinct rule that I noticed because it made me go "huh? all out, well that sounds kind of weird, but here it is"

by **kaede** 2010-09-23, 18:21

Ahh ok guess I better put that in as a shortcut on my laptop then.

by **nullset12** 2010-09-23, 18:21

Theres no point in going "all out" if the moment you use it, you disappear

by ZedSlayer 2010-09-23, 18:24

Amos, it specifically states that Attila can only summon 50 warriors, Berserker should be more than capable of charging Attila using A+ agility to avoid (or A+strength to plow through) any of the soldiers that get in his way and probably kick their asses before they can react to him (they have E+ Endurance) and A+ Endurance to absorb any hits from them he takes along the way, and still have enough to kick Rider's ass, as Rider will be even slower than usual by comparison. In addition, this is looking more and more like Attila summoning his Huns and berserker slicing through them, their swords may be longer, but I have Speed, Power and Toughness on everything that I'm fighting, I fail to see how Berserker could possibly lose this fight.

by **InteroVegas** 2010-09-23, 18:26

nullset12 wrote:Theres no point in going "all out" if the moment you use it, you disappear

I was voting considering the rules.

@larry: I don't care what endurance he has, atilla should have some kind of horse that he can ride and fire from using arrows. Second the NP states that only 50 can materialize at a time, this is fair game. If all of the servants are going to go head to head with melee combat, there wouldn't be a competition, going all out means using all tricks available to you, regardless of cost, regardless of how cheap it is.

by **Capitalist Pig** 2010-09-23, 18:27

i wanna change my vote now, move one vote from rider to buhzuhkuh

by ZedSlayer 2010-09-23, 18:28

vote changing has been canceled, analyze before you act

by **Capitalist Pig** 2010-09-23, 18:30

r u kidding larry, IM ON YOUR SIDE HERE.

by ZedSlayer 2010-09-23, 18:31

talk to kaede

by **dinasemrys** 2010-09-23, 18:32

@sandow doesnt matter, you should have thought it out first.

by **nullset12** 2010-09-23, 18:33

wow larry

Ok... he''ll pull of the NP and then die? thats just retarded

by **kaede** 2010-09-23, 18:34

On a note though he did not add it as a NP Atilla had a blade that was said to have been blessed by the god of war mars he could have had a sword that rivals or surpassed berserkers broken sword. If he had that alongside his riders (I would have then limited it to about 15 riders at a time) he could possibly win very easly.

by **InteroVegas** 2010-09-23, 18:34

ZedSlayer wrote:talk to kaede

wow, I like how when he wanted to change the vote first you said no, then after he said he is on your side, you are like "talk to kaede"

and again, sean, just voting based on the rules.

by **kaede** 2010-09-23, 18:37

No vote changing I specified this at the top. If you voted for someone by accident I may let you change it but you obviously did not do it accidently.

by **Capitalist Pig** 2010-09-23, 18:39

O. kk, srry.

by **The Lord Kelvin** 2010-09-23, 18:50

wow guys..... they all rely on the master's mana, not atilla's....... they r all summoned with atilla, just like a sword is summoned with saber or a lance is summoned with lancer........

btw, am i supposed to vote?

by **nullset12** 2010-09-23, 18:51

i voted b4 all you bitches. IDK what you are talking about amos -.-

by **Capitalist Pig** 2010-09-23, 18:52

yes you can vote kelvin

by **dinasemrys** 2010-09-23, 19:13

@quan I voted first, not u
@kelvin The master in this case only has medium mana reserves. In order to use an EX with only an E mana, you need at least a high mana reserves to do it even once. In addition, mana is how much the servant can store. The servant can't directly use the master's mana. It has to first store the master's mana in it before it can use it for NPs.

by **The Lord Kelvin** 2010-09-23, 19:18

......... if u didn't pay attention, the huns were summoned at the same time as atilla, not summoned by atilla, therefor the master directly supplies mana to them all....

by **nullset12** 2010-09-23, 19:22

OOOHHHHH SHIEET!

NASU BATTLE!

*pokemon battle music plays*

by **InteroVegas** 2010-09-23, 19:29

oh pwnzor, can more huns be summoned?

by **kaede** 2010-09-23, 19:56

Ok for this round the time to get all votes in shall be noon tomorrow.

After that we shall move on to the next round.

by ZedSlayer 2010-09-23, 20:06

Kelvin, you have all of 50 Huns, Berserker could easily mow them and you all down by virtue of his stat-line alone, when they are summoned is immaterial.
They have the stats
Strength: D
Endurance: D
Agility: D+
Mana: F
Luck: D
Berserker could rend them limb from limb in his sleep, one of your votes wants to change and another just wants you to win because it amuses him, you have two people who feel that you should win legitimately, because Wayne's only reason was "Nuuuuu azn invasion ftw" with no other reason, I fail to see how, in an actual fight, Rider could survive more than perhaps 5 seconds against this Berserker.

by **kaede** 2010-09-23, 20:18

You must take into concideration that he has thousands of huns summoned he can only have 50 out at a time because of his low mana. So ask yourself how long can he last if every time one dies another takes its place and there are thousands of them?

by ZedSlayer 2010-09-23, 20:24

that won't matter , he's killing them while charging at Attila, once I reach him, it's all over.

by **nullset12** 2010-09-23, 20:26

ugh ... battles are not that simple

by ZedSlayer 2010-09-23, 20:27

they are with Berserker

by **Zhu Yang** 2010-09-23, 20:34

Just to put the battle into context:

Huns mostly used hit and run tactics. They relied on the mobility granted by their horses and their confusing attack patterns instead of direct confrontation.

Therefore, a straight charge to Rider wouldn't be effective; Huns are constantly on the move and will try to throw the pursuer off. The attacker's line of sight may be obscured (by terrain or minions). Along with the fact that Huns dressed mostly the same and Lancer's clothing is drastically different, the match will be as much hide-and-seek as battle.

However, Lancer's agility is much higher than any of the Riders. This raises the question of whether agility is the individual's statistic, or if the creature being ridden is counted to?

by **nullset12** 2010-09-23, 20:53

@ larry thats a load of crap -.-

idc who you are you can't just rush into any battle and expect to survive

by **kaede** 2010-09-23, 21:03

Also take into consideration berserkers insanity he has no sanity at all he is no better than a wild animal he would most likely get confused easily by the huns riding around him specially if they use complex manuvers to distract him while a few attack him up close and a few attack with there bows from afar.

by **nullset12** 2010-09-23, 21:08

Exaclty ... take berserker from the FSN anime.(YES ITS NON CANON)

he was confused as hell when archer did his kanshou and bakuya move

by **kaede** 2010-09-23, 21:10

The VN berserker has more sanity then this one so its even worse.

by **nullset12** 2010-09-23, 21:17

More sanity cause illy's controlling him

by **Capitalist Pig** 2010-09-23, 21:28

and vn berserker only has B mad enhancement instead of A.

by **kaede** 2010-09-23, 21:36

Anyway is anyone else going to vote in this? if not i'll declare a winner and move on to the next fight.

by **Corenat Rovarnus** 2010-09-23, 21:37

Um, a suggestion: put up a sort of hackneyed tourney tree so we can see all the initial matchups?

by **Capitalist Pig** 2010-09-23, 21:42

wait did wayne switch my vote to berserker, cause if so he should undo it.
and its tied right now, and i dont think anyone else will vote.

by **kaede** 2010-09-23, 21:44

Oh right forgot about here are the matchups. Mind you this was entirely randomized.

Servant battles first match. Grailwar

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