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Post by kaede on 2010-09-23, 00:03

Ok the first match shall begin!!!
Berserker
Spoiler:
Name: Beowulf
Class: Berserker
Alignment: Lawful Insane

Stats:
Strength: A+ (7)
Endurance: A+ (7)
Agility: A+ (7)
Mana: D+ (0)
Luck: C+ (3)
Skills:
Mad Enhancement: A (15) (+1.5 to all stats)
Swordsmanship: C (3)
Wrestling: C (3) Mostly Grappling
Noble Phantasm:
Nægling: B+ Anti- Personnel (10)
A fragment of a sword, can use non-shattered version at will, however can only be used for a maximum of ten attacks before shattering again shattered version stronger non-shattered version is at only rank B, he broke this sword with his own strength when slaying a dragon, so I felt it appropriate. default form is whole form. {Unable to switch between the two due to mad enchantment}

Backstory: Beowulf was a danish hero of the warrior king variety. Slew Grendel, who had been terrorizing the local lord for days, and ripped off his arm with his bare hands, also refused to use a weapon for this fight as it would have been an unfair advantage over the unarmed Grendel. This led to a grudge match with Grendel's MOM, UNDERWATER, for which he borrowed the sword Hrunting, it didn't accomplish much against Grendel-dam. So he used a BFS from her own collection and chopped off her head with it, he then decapitated Grendel with the sword. He became king and when he was like, 60, he had to kill a dragon. He went in with twelve or so cohorts, fought with the dragon outside of it's liar, all of the warriors except for one, his nephew, Wiglaf, abandon him. He and Wiglaf go in, slay the dragon, breaking Nægling in the process, and emerge victorious. He dies of wounds taken during this fight soon after, is cremated, and buried with the dragon's treasure, as there is a curse upon it.


Rider
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Servant: Atilla the Hun aka the "Scourge of God"
Class: Rider
Alignment: Lawful Neutral


Stats

Strength: C (5)
Endurance: C (5)
Agility: D+ (3.5)
Mana: E (0)
Luck: C (5)


Class Skills

Name: Magic resistance
Rank: D (2)
Cancel Single-Action spells. Magic Resistance of the same degree of an amulet that rejects magical energy

Name: Riding
Rank: B (4)
Most creatures can be rode with above average skill. However, cannot ride those of Demoniac Beast and Holy Beast-rank

Abilities:

Name: Military Tactics
Rank: B (4)
Tactical knowledge used not for one-on-one combat situations, but for battles where many are mobilized. Bonus modifiers are provided during use of one's own Anti-Army Noble Phantasm or when dealing against an enemy Anti-Army Noble Phantasm

Name: Knowledge of Respect and Harmony
Rank: B (4)
Attacks cannot be perceived by the enemy

Name: Charisma
Rank C (3)
Can Lead an army and increase troop morale

Name: Projectile (Arrows)
Rank: B (4)
Bows and Arrows weapons are now comparable to bullets


Noble Phantasms:

Name: Hun Invasion
Rank: EX (12)
Type: Anti-Fortress/Anti-World (3)
Similar to Iskander's Ionioi Hetairoi. Atilla's huns are all summoned with him during the servant summoning, as they are the sole reason he is a heroic spirit. In other words THE MASS OF HUN RIDERS IS ATILLA'S NOBLE PHANTASM. Therefore a reality marble is not created and people are not taken into it, but the riders can go into spirit form to conserve the master's mana (as Atilla's mana sucks and Atilla can't maintain them all) All the riders posses the same exact stats and abilities as him (downgraded 1 rank), but do not posses any class abilities. The riders, as well as Atilla himself, carry double edged-swords of the Sassanian style as well as gilded bows and daggers (50 huns can materialize max per battle).


Terrain:
Ground: Hard (cement), Firm (grass)
Obsticles: Trees, small buildings
Space: Large (Park 1/2 the size of central park in NY city)
Mana resources: Medium

There is no vote canceling so vote carefully. Feel free to have some explain why you voted the way you did and to argue why which servant is better than the other.
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Post by dinasemrys on 2010-09-23, 05:45

Berserker because even with medium mana resources, rider should not be able to pull off its NP with E mana. Even if it did, Berserker stats are much higher than the swarm of riders. Berserker's agility, endurance, and strength would allow it to dodge the riders easily and destroy them without dieing that easily.
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Post by nullset12 on 2010-09-23, 09:46

Rider lacks the mana to do any of his noble phantasms without killing himself
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Post by kaede on 2010-09-23, 11:11

Was originally going to be Archer but I dont have sandows character sheet. If anyone sees him tell him to pm me his sheet again.
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Post by Corenat Rovarnus on 2010-09-23, 13:32

Nuuuuu azn invasion ftw
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Post by Capitalist Pig on 2010-09-23, 15:29

also, how long is each round going to be up and what happens in a tie?
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Post by kaede on 2010-09-23, 15:36

A tie will result in a double elimination be resolved by my vote (I will not vote unless its to break a tie). Also i'll leave the voting open for about...4-5 days.

Also please vote at the top. And vote on servants realistically dont just vote for them because they are cool or whatever superficial reason you can come up with. Compare the stats the NP and the terrain.


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Post by InteroVegas on 2010-09-23, 17:07

@dinasemrys wrote:Berserker because even with medium mana resources, rider should not be able to pull off its NP with E mana. Even if it did, Berserker stats are much higher than the swarm of riders. Berserker's agility, endurance, and strength would allow it to dodge the riders easily and destroy them without dieing that easily.

The rules for battles says to assume that each servant all out each match, so unless it would be suicidal for him to use his NP I would think he would win (if it is suicidal then I have no idea whether or not it is supposed to be put into consideration). There is a difference between a small squad of soldiers and a portion of the large Hun army.
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Post by nullset12 on 2010-09-23, 17:36

He barely has any mana .... if he uses his EX rank noble phantasm, he'll lose the little mana he has left and will disappear
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Post by InteroVegas on 2010-09-23, 17:54

The rules on the original site said to assume they go all out, not thinking of conserving anything, that is just what the rules say. And I would guess that it would make a difference because someone would rather go all out and win a round, rather than just straight up lose without trying.
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Post by kaede on 2010-09-23, 18:15

Hey amos can you pm me the original site I lost the url for it.
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Post by InteroVegas on 2010-09-23, 18:20

oh I used the old topic that had the link in it, but it was a distinct rule that I noticed because it made me go "huh? all out, well that sounds kind of weird, but here it is"
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Post by kaede on 2010-09-23, 18:21

Ahh ok guess I better put that in as a shortcut on my laptop then.
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Post by nullset12 on 2010-09-23, 18:21

Theres no point in going "all out" if the moment you use it, you disappear
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Post by ZedSlayer on 2010-09-23, 18:24

Amos, it specifically states that Attila can only summon 50 warriors, Berserker should be more than capable of charging Attila using A+ agility to avoid (or A+strength to plow through) any of the soldiers that get in his way and probably kick their asses before they can react to him (they have E+ Endurance) and A+ Endurance to absorb any hits from them he takes along the way, and still have enough to kick Rider's ass, as Rider will be even slower than usual by comparison. In addition, this is looking more and more like Attila summoning his Huns and berserker slicing through them, their swords may be longer, but I have Speed, Power and Toughness on everything that I'm fighting, I fail to see how Berserker could possibly lose this fight.


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Post by InteroVegas on 2010-09-23, 18:26

@nullset12 wrote:Theres no point in going "all out" if the moment you use it, you disappear

I was voting considering the rules.

@larry: I don't care what endurance he has, atilla should have some kind of horse that he can ride and fire from using arrows. Second the NP states that only 50 can materialize at a time, this is fair game. If all of the servants are going to go head to head with melee combat, there wouldn't be a competition, going all out means using all tricks available to you, regardless of cost, regardless of how cheap it is.


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Post by Capitalist Pig on 2010-09-23, 18:27

i wanna change my vote now, move one vote from rider to buhzuhkuh
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Post by ZedSlayer on 2010-09-23, 18:28

vote changing has been canceled, analyze before you act

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Post by Capitalist Pig on 2010-09-23, 18:30

r u kidding larry, IM ON YOUR SIDE HERE.
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Post by ZedSlayer on 2010-09-23, 18:31

talk to kaede

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Post by dinasemrys on 2010-09-23, 18:32

@sandow doesnt matter, you should have thought it out first.
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Post by nullset12 on 2010-09-23, 18:33

wow larry

Ok... he''ll pull of the NP and then die? thats just retarded
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Post by kaede on 2010-09-23, 18:34

On a note though he did not add it as a NP Atilla had a blade that was said to have been blessed by the god of war mars he could have had a sword that rivals or surpassed berserkers broken sword. If he had that alongside his riders (I would have then limited it to about 15 riders at a time) he could possibly win very easly.
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Post by InteroVegas on 2010-09-23, 18:34

@ZedSlayer wrote:talk to kaede

wow, I like how when he wanted to change the vote first you said no, then after he said he is on your side, you are like "talk to kaede"

and again, sean, just voting based on the rules.
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Post by kaede on 2010-09-23, 18:37

No vote changing I specified this at the top. If you voted for someone by accident I may let you change it but you obviously did not do it accidently.
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Post by Capitalist Pig on 2010-09-23, 18:39

O. kk, srry.
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Post by The Lord Kelvin on 2010-09-23, 18:50

wow guys..... they all rely on the master's mana, not atilla's....... they r all summoned with atilla, just like a sword is summoned with saber or a lance is summoned with lancer........

btw, am i supposed to vote?
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Post by nullset12 on 2010-09-23, 18:51

i voted b4 all you bitches. IDK what you are talking about amos -.-
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Post by Capitalist Pig on 2010-09-23, 18:52

yes you can vote kelvin
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Post by dinasemrys on 2010-09-23, 19:13

@quan I voted first, not u
@kelvin The master in this case only has medium mana reserves. In order to use an EX with only an E mana, you need at least a high mana reserves to do it even once. In addition, mana is how much the servant can store. The servant can't directly use the master's mana. It has to first store the master's mana in it before it can use it for NPs.
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Post by The Lord Kelvin on 2010-09-23, 19:18

......... if u didn't pay attention, the huns were summoned at the same time as atilla, not summoned by atilla, therefor the master directly supplies mana to them all....
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Post by nullset12 on 2010-09-23, 19:22

OOOHHHHH SHIEET!

NASU BATTLE!

*pokemon battle music plays*
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Post by InteroVegas on 2010-09-23, 19:29

oh pwnzor, can more huns be summoned?
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Post by kaede on 2010-09-23, 19:56

Ok for this round the time to get all votes in shall be noon tomorrow.

After that we shall move on to the next round.
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Post by ZedSlayer on 2010-09-23, 20:06

Kelvin, you have all of 50 Huns, Berserker could easily mow them and you all down by virtue of his stat-line alone, when they are summoned is immaterial.
They have the stats
Strength: D
Endurance: D
Agility: D+
Mana: F
Luck: D
Berserker could rend them limb from limb in his sleep, one of your votes wants to change and another just wants you to win because it amuses him, you have two people who feel that you should win legitimately, because Wayne's only reason was "Nuuuuu azn invasion ftw" with no other reason, I fail to see how, in an actual fight, Rider could survive more than perhaps 5 seconds against this Berserker.

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Post by kaede on 2010-09-23, 20:18

You must take into concideration that he has thousands of huns summoned he can only have 50 out at a time because of his low mana. So ask yourself how long can he last if every time one dies another takes its place and there are thousands of them?
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Post by ZedSlayer on 2010-09-23, 20:24

that won't matter , he's killing them while charging at Attila, once I reach him, it's all over.

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Post by nullset12 on 2010-09-23, 20:26

ugh ... battles are not that simple
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Post by ZedSlayer on 2010-09-23, 20:27

they are with Berserker

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Post by Zhu Yang on 2010-09-23, 20:34

Just to put the battle into context:

Huns mostly used hit and run tactics. They relied on the mobility granted by their horses and their confusing attack patterns instead of direct confrontation.

Therefore, a straight charge to Rider wouldn't be effective; Huns are constantly on the move and will try to throw the pursuer off. The attacker's line of sight may be obscured (by terrain or minions). Along with the fact that Huns dressed mostly the same and Lancer's clothing is drastically different, the match will be as much hide-and-seek as battle.

However, Lancer's agility is much higher than any of the Riders. This raises the question of whether agility is the individual's statistic, or if the creature being ridden is counted to?
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Post by nullset12 on 2010-09-23, 20:53

@ larry thats a load of crap -.-

idc who you are you can't just rush into any battle and expect to survive
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Post by kaede on 2010-09-23, 21:03

Also take into consideration berserkers insanity he has no sanity at all he is no better than a wild animal he would most likely get confused easily by the huns riding around him specially if they use complex manuvers to distract him while a few attack him up close and a few attack with there bows from afar.
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Post by nullset12 on 2010-09-23, 21:08

Exaclty ... take berserker from the FSN anime.(YES ITS NON CANON)

he was confused as hell when archer did his kanshou and bakuya move
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Post by kaede on 2010-09-23, 21:10

The VN berserker has more sanity then this one so its even worse.
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Post by nullset12 on 2010-09-23, 21:17

More sanity cause illy's controlling him
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Post by Capitalist Pig on 2010-09-23, 21:28

and vn berserker only has B mad enhancement instead of A.
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Post by kaede on 2010-09-23, 21:36

Anyway is anyone else going to vote in this? if not i'll declare a winner and move on to the next fight.
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Post by Corenat Rovarnus on 2010-09-23, 21:37

Um, a suggestion: put up a sort of hackneyed tourney tree so we can see all the initial matchups?
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Post by Capitalist Pig on 2010-09-23, 21:42

wait did wayne switch my vote to berserker, cause if so he should undo it.
and its tied right now, and i dont think anyone else will vote.
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Post by kaede on 2010-09-23, 21:44

Oh right forgot about here are the matchups. Mind you this was entirely randomized.

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