Renpy: Python based Visual Novel script engine

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A wiki entry on how to deal with artists for visual novels

http://wiki.renai.us/wiki/Dealing_with_Artists_For_Your_Visual_Novel

There was an extra "get" at the start of your link.

Fixed for you.

So is there any progress being made on this or are we droping it?

o btw guys, MOON RECORDS CHAPTER ONE!!! LOLMFJ!!!

http://s13.zetaboards.com/Community_Crucis/topic/6690565/1/#new

make sure you read all of the replies after you see it.

Oh, wow. Poor Lucid :'(

Poor grimgrim indeed.

See Kaede, I told you the guys at MR wouldn't give it up, and contrary to what Gil said it didn't let me down. Too bad Gae Bolg ran around and deserted it halfway into making it.

Well it looked like it was abandoned because Gae Bolg ran off to kill Null Bolg and never came back. But I dont think Grimgrim can contue making it he is in the military right now doing what ever his comanding officer tells him to do. He even left Rulebreaker but he left it in the care of Rall.

Yes, I quite agree MarthMarthy!
I actually really like being taken unexpectedly to a wonderful creation ^.^

Although many people may find this a waste of time, I always make sure to ride it out all the way through

kaede wrote:Well it looked like it was abandoned because Gae Bolg ran off to kill Null Bolg and never came back. But I dont think Grimgrim can contue making it he is in the military right now doing what ever his comanding officer tells him to do. He even left Rulebreaker but he left it in the care of Rall.

That doesn't sound like a very wise decision...

Thats what I said at first but he is doing an ok job he treats everyone fairly (cept meroy but thats because ever sence the start of the war he has complained about his character) and he is quick to act as GM.

TOPIC REVIVAL! *casts Restoration*

I know a good artist who goes to our school. She's a Higurashi/Umineko fan, and she was interested in joining the forum a while ago, but then summer started. I'll try to get her to join when school starts. Plus we'll get some new members to abuse...I mean get insightful comments from.

How bout we use different art styles for each person thats particapating?

How about instead of deciding on artstyles we write the story first?

I thought it was a Church of Proz dorm mates skit where Wayne tries to get Amos to read F/SN and those two get into a fight, and we all eventually take a side?

I mean we actually write out the opening senario (like the argument and such) and certain events we can all have in our story (sertain people talking in the kitchen) and each writer will write.

Kaede is the most mature of us so I think she's right. This is one of those Cart & Horse things.

People who wanna write: go do it. I'm loaded with summer work right now so I might submit mine a bit late.

Trust me i'm not mature at all.

But what do we write? All we know is that we live in a dorm and wayne and amos had an argument. We have no idea what the argument is or what are some pre determined events between certain characters. so in effect we can't start yet.

SCENARIO:
The worst has happened. It may be too frightening to comprehend, but you'll have to try anyways. In the Church of ProZ dorm, the internet has gone out. When the internet provider is called, they say it will be restored in a week. The horror.
What's worse is that Wayne and Amos have gotten into an argument over the length of Excalibur. Wayne says its X [units] long, Amos says its Y [units] long, and without access to Google there is no way to settle the dispute.
Settling the Excalibur Argument will take up the length of Day 1. Over the next six days, the now internet deprived Church of ProZ must find ways of entertaining itself with whatever is at hand in the dorm, which could be anything from a board game gone horribly wrong to exploring the outside world and discovering the many wonders it holds, like Restaurants.
Oh, but since that might get boring or cliche, there's also the secret power of ProZ hidden somewhere in the building. Whoever finds it will have one wish granted, but it can only grant things that can't be found on the internet. FSN style war to find it blargh.

That...actually sounds pretty good. But wouldn't that question be answered quickly by playing the fate anime saber vs assassin episode until assassin says how long and how wide the sword is?

Also does the searching for the artifact mean we are going to be fighting eachother?

No, the question wouldn't be answered quickly because A) Invisible Air increases the length (and maybe width?) of Excalibur and B) We have no clue what those ancient Japanese units convert into without the use of internet.
Thanks for the vote of confidence on the scenario btw.
Well here's a twist I came up with for the Artifact thingy. When we learn that the Secret of ProZ exists, everyone who is FSN savy immediately tries to recreate the events and/or characters of the story to try and make it appear (hilariously bad cosplay ensues if we think it'll be funny). The people who aren't FSN savy will think of it from other angles, like someone might think that it might be a Genie in a Lamp and try looking through all the lamps in the dorm, or be looking for 1/3 of a lamp and/or 1/3 of a Genie, since only 1 wish is granted not 3, etc. After about an hour or two people will get bored and stop looking for it, because we can't have just that as the focus of the humor. This will happen about once a day for a couple of days until FINALLY someone finds it.

I can see wayne trying to be gil ("Oi MONGRELS LAY YOUR HANDS OFF THE ADMINS TREASURE!) lol...Who will find it though we all cant find it.

Edit: How bout we combine things from games. Like after a few days due to lack of internet some members belive they can go into a world inside the {Insert appliance with a screen here} and they explore the world inside?

Edit2: Uhh to help me in the story can you tell me how some people who are going to be in it act sense I can't observe you gus in reality? Would really help me in writing this.

I wouldn't oppose doing that several times or more, or possibly just describing with words and visuals what our overactive imaginations would perceive was going on, but abuse of it may lead to a serious over use of in-jokes. The reason I put forward the idea for a lack of internet is to satire our addiction to tech, but more importantly it forces us as writers to think of scenarios that would be funnier to a broader audience. When we make a joke about my (lack of) crucis skill then its funny to everyone who's played me in CFF (very few people). When we make a joke about an anime, its funny to everyone who's watched the anime (a decent number of people). When we pin one or more established characters into a ridiculous situation that causes tension or awkwardness, its universally funny ('bout everyone who reads english).

EDIT: some examples if that didn't make sense;
Context sensitive joke: Higurashi episode 2, Keiichi says "Wait, what am I talking about, nobody would put needles in my food". A reference to episode 1. Relies on the fact that the reader read episode 1 for it to be funny. If the reader didn't, then they won't get it.
Universal joke: Keiichi has to wear the maid-suit as punishment for the sympathy game. Its ridiculous in its own right. Relies on the fact that men aren't meant to put on a maid outfit and wear makeup to be funny. Almost every reader finds this funny.

I like the idea, its pretty creative, but thats just my opinion about writing this. I think things are funnier to more people when its a joke that isn't limited to previous experiences.

Response to edit 2: Oh sorry! You don't have to do all the writing, sorry I reviewed what I wrote and I seem kinda bossy. Anyways, if your wondering how we act out there, its basically the same as in here (Wayne makes smart-alek remarks, Amos argues, I do whatever it is I'm known for doing, etc). If your wondering how we interact with people outside our circle, it depends on how much influence the person has inside our clique, the more influence they have the less they like to interact with people on the outside (Wayne talks with us almost exlusively, while the mysterious person you know as TrabaHaris will wander off and rarely do stuff with us).

If there are keen specifics that you would like please ask via PM unless the person says its ok to talk about their real world person in detail publicly (I'm fine with it). I can't ask people to be public with their lives on the internet, its their personal business.

Hey look I double posted. I don't care, the old post was getting too big to edit.

Kaede it might be a good idea to get a gmail account. We use it to talk about whatever, its the reason you don't see anybody on the chatbox. Also its easier to keep track of emails than 1000 posts and topics with stuff for the VN all scattered and unorganized.

I have a gmail either ask dave for it or pm me for it.
Also I think I might have found a flaw in your idea if the internet is out at the dorm then we could just go to some other place like an internet cafe or my job. It would be more plausable if say a satalite was damaged and internet and television channels besides local channels are in the entire city. That way we are really seperated from tech. Maybe throw in a random one day blackout just for laughs.

Darkgenesis wrote:Nina - kaede110@gmail.com

Found this in an old topic.

Lol thanks.
Yeah, I thought of that flaw too, but we can roll with the satalite idea. Ultimatly, we just need no Internet, so unless anyone else thinks we shouldn't do kaedes idea let's move on.

I'm going to try putting the settup into RenPy. We have no art, so everyone will be represented with a colored rectantgle with a face on it.

For a story like this, I'm not sure how the art in our VN will affect the humor. Certain types of humor might work better with stories (one-shot fanfiction) than art.
But I do like the idea!

Some ideas:

1. Addressing the internet cafe issue; we could be living in a pretty scrappy/ghetto/noisy (but humorous and light-hearted) part of the big city, where no one is willing to share things and there's not too many high-scale places like internet cafes or so. Or we could be jobless...and living off savings

Maybe a few scenes in the beginning could involve us splitting up around the block to find internet (a few of us go to the silly but cranky neighbor next door, some of us go to the only internet cafe to find that it's internet is out too, etc.)

2. Cliche that kinda fits the story; one of us goes missing from the start and no one knows where he/she is. Everyone's used to it, and just assumes that he's wandered off and he'll be back later, but he's actually gone out to find internet as well.

Little intermissions between major events can be dedicated to his wacky attempts (and failures) at trying to get internet.

Finally, when the people that were searching for the Power of ProZ are close to finding it, and everyone has gathered back at the dorm, he bursts into the building riding on an animal with the sources of other inner city residents' internetz (dunno exactly how that would work).

MarthMarthy wrote:SCENARIO:
The worst has happened. It may be too frightening to comprehend, but you'll have to try anyways. In the Church of ProZ dorm, the internet has gone out. When the internet provider is called, they say it will be restored in a week. The horror.
What's worse is that Wayne and Amos have gotten into an argument over the length of Excalibur. Wayne says its X [units] long, Amos says its Y [units] long, and without access to Google there is no way to settle the dispute.
Settling the Excalibur Argument will take up the length of Day 1. Over the next six days, the now internet deprived Church of ProZ must find ways of entertaining itself with whatever is at hand in the dorm, which could be anything from a board game gone horribly wrong to exploring the outside world and discovering the many wonders it holds, like Restaurants.
Oh, but since that might get boring or cliche, there's also the secret power of ProZ hidden somewhere in the building. Whoever finds it will have one wish granted, but it can only grant things that can't be found on the internet. FSN style war to find it blargh.

how about one scenario where we discover a box of sex toys and have a big o- I mean morality and ethics debate. How about we make the power of ProZ more specific, like granting technopath powers or giving you mastery of the 4 elements of programming and the 5th element of content, 4chan (JAVATAR). or both, but without internet access these powers are not much use.

Actually, we can base this off of a real life argument: One day while we were goofing off during compsci(i think it was because lee was subbing otherwise I wouldn't've) and Amos and I started back up that dispute about how much max health assassin had. I had originally said it was 9000 but amos disagreed because supposedly he had seen assassin survive 4 combos each worth about 2.5k in damage, meaning it was actually 10k. However being a few days or so past that incident, our memories weren't so good so amos said that I had claimed he had 8k hp, and that amos was the one who'd said 9k. I presented ethos element blue truth, that I had played this game for more than 2 years and so was not likely to make a mistake, and michael vouched for me. I checked the MR site for reference but he really wasn't convinced that I had originally said 9000(ITS OVER NINE THOUSAAAND!!). But in this world warped to our ideals, the actual amount will forever be in mystery like schrodinger's cat box and the rokkenjima mass murders.

MarthMarthy wrote:
Well here's a twist I came up with for the Artifact thingy. When we learn that the Secret of ProZ exists, everyone who is FSN savy immediately tries to recreate the events and/or characters of the story to try and make it appear (hilariously bad cosplay ensues if we think it'll be funny). The people who aren't FSN savy will think of it from other angles, like someone might think that it might be a Genie in a Lamp and try looking through all the lamps in the dorm, or be looking for 1/3 of a lamp and/or 1/3 of a Genie, since only 1 wish is granted not 3, etc. After about an hour or two people will get bored and stop looking for it, because we can't have just that as the focus of the humor. This will happen about once a day for a couple of days until FINALLY someone finds it.

Sounds like when virgilia was the crime scene analysis nina and battler told her to reconstruct murders. As for the artifact, "Without love, it cannot be seen." lol I think we should turn that into an umineko copypasta as great as the fresh prince of Bel-Air.

luogenhu wrote:For a story like this, I'm not sure how the art in our VN will affect the humor. Certain types of humor might work better with stories (one-shot fanfiction) than art.
But I do like the idea!

Some ideas:

1. Addressing the internet cafe issue; we could be living in a pretty scrappy/ghetto/noisy (but humorous and light-hearted) part of the big city, where no one is willing to share things and there's not too many high-scale places like internet cafes or so. Or we could be jobless...and living off savings

Maybe a few scenes in the beginning could involve us splitting up around the block to find internet (a few of us go to the silly but cranky neighbor next door, some of us go to the only internet cafe to find that it's internet is out too, etc.)

2. Cliche that kinda fits the story; one of us goes missing from the start and no one knows where he/she is. Everyone's used to it, and just assumes that he's wandered off and he'll be back later, but he's actually gone out to find internet as well.

Little intermissions between major events can be dedicated to his wacky attempts (and failures) at trying to get internet.

Finally, when the people that were searching for the Power of ProZ are close to finding it, and everyone has gathered back at the dorm, he bursts into the building riding on an animal with the sources of other inner city residents' internetz (dunno exactly how that would work).

"HAY GUYS WAHTS GOING ON? I FOUNDS UR INTERNETZ!!"
oh yeah, and then mindless /b/tards will creep out of dark forbidden corners where the light has never reached and the internet has also gone out, and prowl the city, causing a class 3 zombie apocalypse.

I'll be working on the actual program thing while you guys throw up ideas for the other six days of the story. Go ahead and all, but just keep in mind we can't cram EVERYTHING into a seven day story.

o btw mind hosting the final wallops island VN on mediafire and sending me the link so I can see how it turned out?

@michael

Type moon managed to fit a lot into a few number of "days".

@Wayne: you already saw it, if you want to see it again come over to my house, I don't want it on the internets.

@Quan: Yeah well we aren't as nearly well staffed or equipped as Type Moon, and this is our first time (for most of us) making a VN.

ohhh yeah...can't remember that well but the end was really stupid. So I guess without an artist right now we will have to make do with stealing artwork from other places. First of all, ripping VN sprites from any kirikiri VN are ready to use instantly, but if you're adapting art from another source (hand-drawn, etc.) then you need to make the background color transparent if its a character image or resize it if its a background picture.

WELL DAMMIT our google scam fell flat on its face. Next Money-making sceme...Sell our VN on the PC and iPhone.

right k we have the script ready, michael you seem to have the most time on your hands at the moment start writing it. The rest of us all have excuses, we're taking AP classes the whole day.

I got an idea.

Lets turn one of our vampire hunt games into a VN.

I wonder which one good idea, everyone pick your sprites, story's already in place.

What are we going to use as sprites? nasuverse or something else?

Also as an idea maybe we could mix up some events because killing the TA ion day one sounds anti-climatic.

Or how bout we make a story of this after we finish this game.

yeah, we'll start it up post game, when we can decide what order it goes it.

That's not true about the climatic thing. Many mangas kill off the really powerful guys first, because then the power difference between the antagonists and the protagonists is greater, because now the knights no longer have a powerful vampire slayer on their side (or a Tohno =.=). Naruto does this with the Ho-Kag-Kay.

Uhhhh I have four periods of AP classes too, I might be able to write the story in my journal during the easy classes.

As for sprites...you guys figure it out.

just 4? most of us have at least 5. I'm going to be using a combination of umineko tsukhime, fate stay night, and maybe higurashi sprites(if you are so inclined) and letting you pick who you want.

lol, if we're doing vamp hunt, i can be a hobo phoenix wright, sprite... cause he looks the drunken bastard i am in teh game... lol, but phoenix wright sprites only show half the body.... i'll prob hve to find something else

I pick Mr. Dawn

EDIT:
Here's a reference for people who are confused...
http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Mr._Dawn

um depending on the game if one 'll take kirei, if two I'll need to think about it

I think Kooay would be Kirei in each of the games :/

oh damn I gotta think of something cool, i mean i have some ideas but lets finish this game first, does they have to be nasuverse sprites?

I just said I'll be using umineko and tsukihime sprites as well, and MAYBE utawarerumono if I can get em.

yeah cept umineko sprites are, well, err, bad.

dun think there r any characters in those games that wud fit my character.... the drunken bastard........ but there r always phoenix wright sprites!!!!!!!! rawr




and so many more here!!!!!!!
https://gs107.photobucket.com/groups/m310/H2MMDRTQPR/

I'm just trying to keep options open.