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Post by nullset12 on 2010-06-25, 21:35

It'll be good to have a post where you state your master/servant pairs so others can see who you use and plan accordingly

My top 4 are

#1. Saber + Shiro
#2. Saber + Sorchiro
#3. Gil + Shiro
#4. Gil + Sorchiro
#5. Saber Alter + Shiro

However I only use the top four mainly. The 5th i suck with.
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Post by The Lord Kelvin on 2010-06-25, 21:58

servant(s): archer

master(s):

- best: illya
- can use: dark sakura, shirou
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Post by kaede on 2010-06-25, 22:21

Not very good but...
Bazett+avenger
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Post by nullset12 on 2010-06-25, 22:46

holy crap i moved up a rank xD
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Post by InteroVegas on 2010-06-25, 23:00

lol

ummm, for me just kirei + gil
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Post by Corenat Rovarnus on 2010-06-25, 23:40

1. Kirei/Archer
2. Shiro/Saber
3. Ilya/Saber
4. Kirei/Daku Seiba.

I know combos for a bunch more people like bazett, gilgamesh, but I haven't tested in actual battle.
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Post by Meroy on 2010-06-26, 05:24

Ilya/saber when i'm in a bad mood and just feel like overkilling people

Otherwise, I use Rin/lancer, Ilya/gilgamesh or Ilya/archer

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Post by Zhu Yang on 2010-06-26, 11:17

Suxorz but:

Master: Kirei

Servants: Assassin, Archer
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Post by InteroVegas on 2010-06-26, 11:51

personally i think kirei is the best combatitive master in terms of fighting capability.
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Post by Corenat Rovarnus on 2010-06-26, 12:09

that is because only meroy and felix can use rin properly. you also aren't taking bazett into consideration because only michael uses her.
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Post by InteroVegas on 2010-06-26, 12:37

no, it's because of the following:
a) kirei has some range attacks, a good range melee (falcon punch) and a great special, so overall he is balanced.
b) his melees have decent range and some good punch to them (fist mash attack, falcon punch, scissor kick, etc)

I guess I haven't seen a good rin but as for the bazzet she is melee focused, and in a master I feel like balance is more important, they should have the capability to handle anyone with above crappy response (aka not sakura). So yeah rin has definitely got that capability and kirei has it, but bazzet and soichiro don't.

Also shiro just feels subpar to kirei from what I have seen.
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Post by nullset12 on 2010-06-26, 12:57

=.=

Shiro has some range ... and then that 4B counter thats like awesome xD

I consider him as good as kirei cept hes a little slower
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Post by Corenat Rovarnus on 2010-06-26, 13:34

wow amos aren't you the one who said its better to have a master and servant that complement each other rather than both balanced?
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Post by InteroVegas on 2010-06-26, 13:44

yeah, it is, and in a way doesnt isnt balanced the opposite of unbalanced, though i dont really use kirei's range that much (considering he has two range attacks, one i never use) i mainly use his melee and you know that, and his melee counterbalances gilgameshes loads of range.
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Post by Corenat Rovarnus on 2010-06-26, 13:49

I seem to recall kirei's various painful mid-range and long range attacks, not understanding how gil balances those.
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Post by InteroVegas on 2010-06-26, 17:31

kirei doesnt have a lot of those ranged black key attacks (like 2 not counting ground punish), and at the same point gilgamesh has like no special melees, he has the counter, the scythe (close version), and the hammer (which is like a medium short range)
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Post by Meroy on 2010-06-26, 22:26

Darkgenesis wrote:personally i think kirei is the best combatitive master in terms of fighting capability.

I read that as

''Hey guys, I don't know anyone who can play Kuzuki properly''

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Post by InteroVegas on 2010-06-26, 22:59

well if i see someone play a good rin I'll change my mind.
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Post by Corenat Rovarnus on 2010-06-26, 23:39

well you won't because your netplay sucks, so your opinion is officially biased beyond salvation. and I'm not only talking about his black keys, he has nasty mid ranges like the falcon punch and command grab, those things reach across half the screen.
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Post by Meroy on 2010-06-27, 00:23

I'll duel you with Rin if you want, you be Kirei
Just stop chickening out and get on that chat, we can try a game.

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Post by InteroVegas on 2010-06-27, 10:40

it really won't work, ask kelvin, or anyone who I have tried to do netplay with, it just doesn't work. If my netplay worked, I would play regardless win or lose, it really doesn't work.

@ Wayne: I don't need to vs them to consider them good, I mean if I just saw some really good Rin use then I would change my mind, don't assume things. And yeah those moves are mid range, but they are melee all the same, they still have to reach the opponent and hit/grab them in order to work.
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Post by The Lord Kelvin on 2010-06-27, 16:14

ya..... meroy, it really doesn't work for him, amos, u shud just try it with him t prove it
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Post by nullset12 on 2010-07-01, 06:44

please move this convo to the challenging moon records topic
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Post by Corenat Rovarnus on 2010-07-01, 16:01

Darkgenesis wrote:it really won't work, ask kelvin, or anyone who I have tried to do netplay with, it just doesn't work. If my netplay worked, I would play regardless win or lose, it really doesn't work.

@ Wayne: I don't need to vs them to consider them good, I mean if I just saw some really good Rin use then I would change my mind, don't assume things. And yeah those moves are mid range, but they are melee all the same, they still have to reach the opponent and hit/grab them in order to work.

and when exactly would you see some really good Rin if you are never doing netplay and none of us play Rin huh? and don't ALL attacks have to reach and hit the opponent in order to work? an attack is considered mid range when it can hit you from halfway across the screen which is what kirei does with falcon punch. because if we just went by the simple 'melee' definition then technically saber and lancer's super charge attacks are close range.
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Post by InteroVegas on 2010-07-01, 17:46

avengers weapon toss is mid range. sabers charge, lancers super charge and kireis step and punch are closing attacks, the attack must hit at close range in order to work.

Another example of mid range would be riders chain no? She herself doesn't have to be within like 3 feet for the attack to hit, she can have some decent space between her and the opponent and still hit. Casters grab is also mid range.
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Post by nullset12 on 2010-07-01, 20:02

i would say that dark sakura is a mid range spammer - which is just a fail really...
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Post by Zhu Yang on 2010-07-01, 20:18

Lol Kelvin pwns me with D. Sakura
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Post by Corenat Rovarnus on 2010-07-01, 21:01

Darkgenesis wrote:avengers weapon toss is mid range. sabers charge, lancers super charge and kireis step and punch are closing attacks, the attack must hit at close range in order to work.

Another example of mid range would be riders chain no? She herself doesn't have to be within like 3 feet for the attack to hit, she can have some decent space between her and the opponent and still hit. Casters grab is also mid range.

yeah those attacks are all mid range I don't see your point though. you can still get hit by any of those 'closing' attacks if you are NOT at close range. this is not like if you just walk up to them and attack, because they are vulnerable while they are closing. These attacks close the distance without making you vulnerable to being interrupted by the opponents close range attacks, same deal as all the other midrange attacks.
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Post by InteroVegas on 2010-07-01, 21:12

you can use the trip attack against kirei punch (well with assassin) and saber charge, you can't exactly use the trip attack against avengers chakram or riders chain daggers.
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Post by The Lord Kelvin on 2010-07-01, 21:23

rider's is dodgdeable, and avenger's is slow and easy to jump/block
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Post by Corenat Rovarnus on 2010-07-01, 21:30

Darkgenesis wrote:you can use the trip attack against kirei punch (well with assassin) and saber charge, you can't exactly use the trip attack against avengers chakram or riders chain daggers.

yes you can, with archer's kansho throw.
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Post by The Lord Kelvin on 2010-07-01, 21:33

not long enough for rider's chain
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Post by Corenat Rovarnus on 2010-07-01, 21:35

if she's not at max range you can. its more of a mid-long range attack anyway since rider has no long range.
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Post by The Lord Kelvin on 2010-07-01, 21:54

kansho throw is slower tho........
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Post by InteroVegas on 2010-07-01, 22:10

-.- ok fine thats like saying avengers chakram attack is vulnerable to sakuras vector thingies, ok so let me restate what I think counts at least partially as a close range attack:

An attack where the attacker must go within the range of the average distance of a generic melee attack (averaged from the distance of the melees of all the characters) or the attacker ends withing range that the defender is threatened by the attackers melee range. The attack also does not have a motion that returns the character to a distance in it (for instance avengers ground punish where he like dances on the person and the jump back) through normal use (if someone does some weird counter that sends the person back that is different).

for simpler terms: The attacker must be within the defenders melee threat range by the end of the attack or with in a distance so that their melee range threatens the defender and the attack can't include a retreat motion.
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