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Post by M. Ainsel on 2011-01-15, 18:00

I have been permitted by The Great Proxy King to post and respond to THIS TOPIC EXCLUSIVELY, after much b1tching and begging.
So, I was contemplating on what Nina said, get a part time job to pay for stuff, when I remembered that there are lazier ways to make money that don't involve clickspamming google.
UPDATE: http://www.cafepress.com/ChurchofProZShop
Say hello to our Official Cafe-press store. The account has been set up so that when someone purchases something off this store, a certain amount of money goes into a PayPal account owned by my mother. That money will then be handed over to me in raw dollar bills, and then I will put it in a box.

Take a look around, I completely finished two designs and made them work with every useless product they have to offer (f**king modern clocks, how do they work?). I would love it if you guys came up with pics or logos for me to put on there.

If you want a design on the site, it must...
1) Have no text as part of the picture, but you can tell me where to put text, what font, etc.
2) Be a 2000 by 2000 res PNG file
3) Not infringe any copyrighted stuff (so that lawfags don't shut us down again)
4) Not be vulgar or pornographic

Oh and btw, don't worry if you idea doesn't fit with the theme of everything else, one Cafe-press account can hold multiple shops. Just keep pumping out ideas and pictures so we can put more and more on our shops.


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Post by Capitalist Pig on 2011-01-15, 18:08

Is A Cat Is Fine Too explicit/vulgar/pr0nographic?
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Post by M. Ainsel on 2011-01-15, 18:11

@Capitalist Pig wrote:Is A Cat Is Fine Too explicit/vulgar/pr0nographic?
It's too Copyrighted. Well, if Shiki taking his pants off is shown then its a bit too pr0n, but otherwise its the legal issues of putting a Type Moon Character on a thing we are selling without permission.

Well, if its just a picture of a cat with text then theres no prob...hey, I could make that!


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Post by kaede on 2011-01-15, 18:11

...How did you get this out of get a job?


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Post by M. Ainsel on 2011-01-15, 18:13

By thinking really hard. Does that answer you question?
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Post by kaede on 2011-01-15, 18:14

...don't mind me im just jealous that you thought of this before me...

On the matter for a cat is fine too just put a picture of a cat and place the words under the picture.

Also how bout a shirt that lists various ways to troll?
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Post by M. Ainsel on 2011-01-15, 18:16

U JELLY? lol

Both good ideas. I'll jump on those right now.
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Post by kaede on 2011-01-15, 19:13

Read this people.
Spoiler:
[CoP:OF]Kaede: you there?
[CoP:OF]MarthMarthy: yup, doing the cat one
[CoP:OF]MarthMarthy: what up?
[CoP:OF]Kaede: ok are you sure you cant do copyrighted material because I see alot of copyrighted things on cafepress.
[CoP:OF]MarthMarthy: hmm
[CoP:OF]MarthMarthy: I'll have to do some reading about their copyright policy
[CoP:OF]Kaede: got it.
[CoP:OF]MarthMarthy: Here we go
[CoP:OF]MarthMarthy: section 7.2 of their terms of service
[CoP:OF]MarthMarthy: 7.2 By You. You represent and warrant to CafePress.com that, in your use of the CafePress.com Service, you: (i) will not infringe the copyright, trademark, patent, trade secret, right of privacy, right of publicity or other legal right of any third party
[CoP:OF]Kaede: well someone didnt get the memo with the tsukihime shirt. but oh well going by that we cant really use coolface becuse he is copyrighted.
[CoP:OF]MarthMarthy: by who?
[CoP:OF]Kaede: dont know bro just said that it was copyrighted.
[CoP:OF]MarthMarthy: hmm
[CoP:OF]MarthMarthy: if he is, the original owner is long forgoten, as 4chan destroies their posts too fast for real records to be made
[CoP:OF]Kaede: but that still dont explain all the zelda stuff on there unless nintendo uses cafepress to sell there junk.
[CoP:OF]MarthMarthy: http://www.cafepress.com/sk/301clothingco
[CoP:OF]MarthMarthy: hmm
[CoP:OF]MarthMarthy: that and some others appear to be the only ones who are companies selling zelda tees
[CoP:OF]MarthMarthy: i see some inpedented guys on here
[CoP:OF]MarthMarthy: well there are two possible explanations
[CoP:OF]MarthMarthy: 1) They fork over money to Nintendo
[CoP:OF]MarthMarthy: 2) Nintendo doesn't care
[CoP:OF]Kaede: well im guessing its the first one companies always wana make money.
[CoP:OF]Kaede: they must have permission to make tees like that I even see team fortress stuff.
[CoP:OF]MarthMarthy: more stuff
[CoP:OF]MarthMarthy: What is fair use?
"Fair use" is a principle of copyright law allows for the unauthorized use of another's original copyrighted work for the purposes of criticism, commentary, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research. In determining whether a given use is "fair," courts look at four primary factors:

* The purpose and character of a use.
* The nature of a copyrighted work.
* The amount and substantiality of the portion of the work used.
* The effect upon the copyright holder's potential market for the used work.

Fair use is a difficult and murky concept, even for experts, so you should consult with an attorney before using copyrighted material in connection with the CafePress Service, even if you think that such use is "fair." One way to evaluate whether a use is "fair" is to consider your own reaction if someone used your work without permission.
[CoP:OF]MarthMarthy: Heres what we can use their copyrighted stuff for
[CoP:OF]MarthMarthy: criticism, commentary, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research
[CoP:OF]MarthMarthy: Ah ha, our ticket
[CoP:OF]MarthMarthy: as long as we make it clear we are not trying to sell stuff that is intended to look like their original product we can sell it
[CoP:OF]MarthMarthy: like
[CoP:OF]MarthMarthy: we can sell a picture of Chibi Shiro fighting Chibi Gil and have a cute commentary
[CoP:OF]MarthMarthy: but we cant sell a picture of the box art of FSN
[CoP:OF]MarthMarthy: that make sense?
[CoP:OF]Kaede: makes sense should I look for any certain pics?
[CoP:OF]MarthMarthy: Well be careful about snagging stuff off of google images
[CoP:OF]Kaede: I ment from danbooru.
[CoP:OF]MarthMarthy: Idk lol
[CoP:OF]MarthMarthy: you can post pics and then we can all judge
[CoP:OF]Kaede: ok will do. should we get the others to do the same?
[CoP:OF]MarthMarthy: i wouldn't force this on them too fast, but I guess sending them out on a Picture Easter Egg Hunt is fine
[CoP:OF]MarthMarthy: actually
[CoP:OF]MarthMarthy: the best thing to do is to update the info about copyrighted matterial and what is ok and not ok
[CoP:OF]MarthMarthy: I'm working in your ideas right now, so I'll post it later
[CoP:OF]Kaede: I'll just post this entire conversation that sound good?
[CoP:OF]MarthMarthy: Sure
[CoP:OF]MarthMarthy: and if thats the case
[CoP:OF]MarthMarthy: ah, nevermind
[CoP:OF]MarthMarthy: I'll troll later
[CoP:OF]Kaede: anything you want to add before I post it all?
[CoP:OF]MarthMarthy: i guess
[CoP:OF]MarthMarthy: This is one of those things in which we can use other peoples enthusiasm for our gain (muhaha)
[CoP:OF]MarthMarthy: I'll talk to John Yendrey about a Furry product section
[CoP:OF]MarthMarthy: niche groups always pay nicely for their products
[CoP:OF]Kaede: ok. also I want royalty for giving you this idea.
[CoP:OF]MarthMarthy: Alirght, when we purchase games or stuff for ourselves using this money, you get the first copy
[CoP:OF]MarthMarthy: sound fair?
[CoP:OF]Kaede: cool sounds good.
[CoP:OF]MarthMarthy: for the first purchase
[CoP:OF]MarthMarthy: [\spoiler]
[CoP:OF]Kaede: was just kidding but I gotit in writing so its official.
[CoP:OF]MarthMarthy: w/e
[CoP:OF]MarthMarthy: I still get to choose the game though >Very Happy
[CoP:OF]Kaede: ...if i get a girly game i will fly overthere just to beat you.
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Post by Corenat Rovarnus on 2011-01-16, 05:57

YES WE CAN WEAR THE SAME SHIRT AS SHIRO NOW I dunno lol
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In all odds this is an idea par excellence. I like how the first thing I see is the women's t-shirt, Cool Story Bro because we are expanding our target audience. However, the logo was meant to go on a black background, and I don't see any black shirts(You know I hate black! JK) in the men's section. Also, USE THE INFECTED FONT BECAUSE ITS COOLZOR.
Also, check my steam wishlist if you wanna know what we're getting next, I oughta have a business voice as I founded the community and designed that logo you're toting on yo' shirts.

EDIt: oh wait yeah the color changer silly me, but you still need to change the font to infected, I can email you the ttf file just paste it in your fonts folder
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Post by M. Ainsel on 2011-01-16, 09:57

Lol the womens shirt is the first thing you see because Cafe-press just set up the site that way. I'm looking more into customizing the site and getting cooler products on it like the iPhone cases, but don't expect results overnight lol.
And don't send me the font, send me four images, "Church of ProZ" in red, "Church of ProZ" in black, and then the same with otaku fortress.

UPDATE: Well crap, good news and bad news. Good news is I figured out how to un-faggotize the look of the shop and expand our selection of products. The Bad news is that it requires upgrading our account to premium. The best deal for a premium account is the 60 bucks for 1 year plan, 5 dollars a month. However, that means we will need a income much greater than 5 dollars a month, otherwise we're just not making as much monies as we could. Sorry, no iPod cases until we get sales a-going.
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Post by Corenat Rovarnus on 2011-01-16, 10:33

=/ dude just a little business calc at the rather high prices the merch is set at, we'd only need to sell 5-6 products a year to turn a profit and still get the premium. but let's not consider upgrading until we've made some sales unless it gives substantial benefit.

OMG YES CHURCH OF PROZ TEDDY BEAR IT'SS AWW-RIGHT
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Post by M. Ainsel on 2011-01-16, 11:07

Well...powerofpoo I apologize, I thought I made a Basic Shop, but turns out I made something WORSE than a basic shop. I made...a Shop, it doesn't even have the word basic attached to it, it is the basic of basic, it is the MACKINTOSH of shops. So I'm moving the store to a Basic Shop, should be a lot better. Basic shops are still free, and they let me choose what products we are offering. I'll get back to you with the new URL and store.
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Post by Corenat Rovarnus on 2011-01-16, 12:21

Cool story bro
I'm sure lawfags won't take issue with us using pikachu or trollface, please chill out and put your cool face back on.
COOL FACE
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Post by Kevindakilla on 2011-01-16, 13:26

$20 for a T-shirt sure is expensive. How much money would you make off of it?
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Post by M. Ainsel on 2011-01-16, 14:02

well depends, there's different kinds of T-shirts. I'll be able to set price on the updated site (SO DONT BUY ANYTHING YET). For a plain white T-shirt the base price is like 16 dollars, for a dark one its about 19, and I set how much more people pay and that much more is how much we make. However, theres also bulk buying, and that drastically reduces the base-price per unit.
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Post by Kevindakilla on 2011-01-16, 14:12

Dam, that's a lot of money for a clock that trolls. I doubt you can even read the time with the face taking up the whole top of the clock.
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Post by Corenat Rovarnus on 2011-01-16, 14:15

yeah like one of us is going to buy like 100 tshirts at a time. lawl, do this for entire clothing line, we could go without doing laundry for like 3 months...
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Post by Zhu Yang on 2011-01-16, 14:17

Hm, OK. What if we bulk buy Church of Proz t-shirts for forum members?
That way it'll be cheaper, and we can all support the forum.

If we can everyone to agree on a design to bulk buy (or can you bulk buy a group of different items?)
Maestro, can you list the bulk buy prices?
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Post by Kevindakilla on 2011-01-16, 14:21

Sure we could organize a group purchase. Any way for us to get it to Nina and others not at our school?

These t-shirts should definitely be worth it. It would increase our trolling potential at school. The shirts would troll for us --> autotroll
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Post by Corenat Rovarnus on 2011-01-16, 14:25

@Kevindakilla wrote:Dam, that's a lot of money for a clock that trolls. I doubt you can even read the time with the face taking up the whole top of the clock.
Who needs to read the time nowadays?
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Post by Kevindakilla on 2011-01-16, 14:28

You think we can a watch with custom numbers to say that?
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Post by Corenat Rovarnus on 2011-01-16, 14:30

No, I don't think we can a watch, but we can her horns and we can still.
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Post by Kevindakilla on 2011-01-16, 14:34

Dam its hard typing on an iPhone. We should get a watch that tells time, but has troll instead.
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Post by kaede on 2011-01-16, 15:11

There anyway we can make a tee with this on the front with the quote "Always alone on the hill of swords...intoxicated with victory" on the back?


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Post by Capitalist Pig on 2011-01-16, 15:12

Nina, your link is broken. -rep
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Post by kaede on 2011-01-16, 15:31

Links fixed.

-rep for sandow because he thinks he has to point things like this out to people.
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Post by Capitalist Pig on 2011-01-16, 16:08

that's an aweshome idea btw. just for that idea, your next three posts will get +rep from me.
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Post by Corenat Rovarnus on 2011-01-16, 18:36

wut the- AHHH WHY AM I NEVER FIGURING OUT THESE COOL IDEAS!!
*genius mode..ON*
Designs:
1. Kinzo/Whoever(it can be one of us) in UBW (Or Unlimited X Works), back can say "I have no regrets, my whole life was Unlimited Desire Works"
2. Saber silhouette on top of the hill of corpses, with the quote "Sacrificing one's humanity for a distant ideal..." or something along those lines
3. Avalon. "It feels so close to me, yet i can't grasp it even if i extend my hands. Even so ... Even if i cant reach it ... there are things that will stay in my heart. Being in the same time and looking up at the same sky, If i can remember that, then even when we are apart from each other, I believe that we can be together. I will run forward now. If i set my goal far enough, then someday .. I'll be able to reach what I aimed for."-- Shirou --
4. Church of ProZ logo in the FSN logo styleLIke THIS
5. An analog clock design with the numbers replaced- 1: Troll, 5: Alcohol!, 4: R4pe, 3:h4l0, 12: None shall be left alive(when they cry reference), 7: Tea Time!, 8: Cake, just examples, stuff that we liek.(MUDKIPS)
6. A combination of memes, nasuverse, wtc, and other obscure references(like pasting heads on ppl) with the caption "If you completely understand this picture you are past redemption"
7. The old forum image https://churchofproz.forumotion.net/t94-our-forum-icon. Simple, ready-made, and aesthetically fit for shirts and white background.

WE'RE GONNA RUN THINKGEEK OUTTA BUSINESS
Also I'd like to know why nobody's given awesomesauce to mykal yet. +rep
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Post by kaede on 2011-01-16, 19:09

our old forum icon would look better as a mug but thats just my opinion.

Anyway whats something that you can make alot of cash from?

Answer: patriotism & video games.

Games like the fallout series have many patriotic quotes in them if we take an image of a flag and have that quote on the back we can make money.

An example from New Vegas:

"The day I set my flag down it will be over my body or over a nation I believe in"
-Ulysses-
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Post by Capitalist Pig on 2011-01-16, 20:13

Perhaps a shirt with lancer on the front and "Sono Shinsa Morai Ukeru GAE BOLG" on the back?
Also a one with YO DAWG I HERD YOU LEIK SHIRTS SO I PUT A SHIRT IN YOUR SHIRT SO YOU CAN SHIRT WHILE YOU SHIRT
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Post by M. Ainsel on 2011-01-16, 20:28

I see Wayne has not posted the new shop URL.
http://www.cafepress.com/ChurchofProZShop
There's only one thing, because making stuff for Basic shops are more difficult and require more effort. But its also very cheap. Its 14 dollars and we make a profit of 5 dollars every time one is bought.
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Post by kaede on 2011-01-16, 20:39

For the lancer that sandow suggested.

http://danbooru.donmai.us/post/show/618533/blue_hair-fate-stay_night-gae_bolg-lancer-long_hai
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Post by M. Ainsel on 2011-01-16, 20:58

UPDATE: Trolling bumper stickers are now included.
Profit per unit: 2 dollars for 1, 15 dollars for 10 pak, 47.5 dollars for 50 mega pak (lol)
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Post by Kevindakilla on 2011-01-16, 23:10

Let's say we were to purchase shirts for our group. Who would actually wear them to school?
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Post by M. Ainsel on 2011-01-17, 09:05

@Wayne: You're troll clocks suck, you didn't use the clock face templates did you? Besides those though the rest are ok.
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Post by Zhu Yang on 2011-01-17, 10:53

@Kevindakilla wrote:Let's say we were to purchase shirts for our group. Who would actually wear them to school?
I would definitely wear the ProZ Emblem shirt to school. That thing looks nice, man. But yea, is there any way to decrease the cost if we only buy enough for the forum members?

EDIT: On second thought, is there anyway to make the emblem shinier?
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Post by nullset12 on 2011-01-17, 10:59

I would never buy such a thing .... cause i'm cheap
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Post by M. Ainsel on 2011-01-17, 11:57

Idea: how about we try to get some freshmen or sophomores to buy our troll products?
We can also make some unofficial Poolesville Falcon fan gear.
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Post by Zhu Yang on 2011-01-17, 13:38

MarthMarthy wrote:Idea: how about we try to get some freshmen or sophomores to buy our troll products?
We can also make some unofficial Poolesville Falcon fan gear.
Nah, I feel we shouldn't really make PHS Falcon gear...that way the school might see us as trying to challenge them, and it's Interact Club all over again.
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Post by M. Ainsel on 2011-01-17, 14:48

Screw PHS, I don't care if they like it or not. And besides, what students are going to care if their's Black Market bake sale and merchandise?
Hey, maybe we could make personalized SMCS Tee's for everyone who wants them. Have them write their name on a list, come up front with like 15 dollars or something, and then put the order in and give it to them when it arrives.


And btw, I discovered that we can also sell CD's and books. The CD's can hold anything we need them to, included video games, VISUAL NOVELS, music, video's, etc. And if their are any wannabe authors on this site please speak up.
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Post by kaede on 2011-01-17, 14:53

Hey wern't we going to turn one of the vampire hunt into a VN? We could have wayne make the story when he feels up to it.
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Post by M. Ainsel on 2011-01-17, 15:20

Well to sell it on a CD would require a bit more effort. Getting some people to translate the two episodes we played into a script would be easy enough, and then we would need some people to spice it up and plan out every transition, expression, etc. The hard part would be making original BGM and art (or rather, getting people to stay commited to such tasks). And also, who would buy such a thing? If they know it exists, will they just pirate it? How can we defeat the pirates? These are all things we should consider.
Making a book would be easier. In fact, why not a collection of short stories?
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Post by nullset12 on 2011-01-17, 17:49

How are you getting online michael?
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Post by Corenat Rovarnus on 2011-01-17, 18:13

MarthMarthy wrote:Well to sell it on a CD would require a bit more effort. Getting some people to translate the two episodes we played into a script would be easy enough, and then we would need some people to spice it up and plan out every transition, expression, etc. The hard part would be making original BGM and art (or rather, getting people to stay commited to such tasks). And also, who would buy such a thing? If they know it exists, will they just pirate it? How can we defeat the pirates? These are all things we should consider.
Making a book would be easier. In fact, why not a collection of short stories?
Not everyone's like us michael, you're kinda asking us to defeat ourselves by implementing anti-piracy measures, probably the most regular folks pirate are shoddy mp3s by current artists. So we either embrace pirating it, or stick a little scene in or whatever that goes like "AMOS you if you didn't buy this"

"Name brand" tees, good idea. but the idea is simple enough that competitors might spring up, which is where we fall back on other products. Yes, my troll clocks suck, but so does "you're" spelling. I proofread your descriptions for some stuff. The clocks need specially designed pictures, circular with numbers on the border obviously, but as per chuchu/my idea we have 'troll' or 'h4l0' instead of or alongside numbers.
@blizzle: Not sure how to make the proz emblem shirt brighter, I think it looks bright enough but the bad lighting makes the shirt cancel it out, but that'd be up to you I guess, I saw you were trying to make the logo brighter for the banner, just see what you can do and send the results to me.
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Post by Kevindakilla on 2011-01-17, 18:52

I think the troll clock needs more troll.
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Post by kaede on 2011-01-17, 19:02

Why dont we make some you lose the game shirts and stickers that people can post around to have a lil fun?
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Post by Kevindakilla on 2011-01-17, 19:06

You should add "Problem?" shirts too. Also, it might be a good idea to stick our forum website on the backs of the t-shirts or something.
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Post by M. Ainsel on 2011-01-17, 19:12

sticking stuff on the back of shirts raises the base price.

Lawl loose the game stickers, good idea.
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Post by Corenat Rovarnus on 2011-01-17, 19:44

sorry kids there are better lose the game tshirts out there, we gotta try something else.
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Post by Kevindakilla on 2011-01-17, 20:00

How about a hat that says "Put your cool face on"
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