Servant battles match 6

by **kaede** 2010-09-25, 15:19

Terrain
Rough Firm
Area: large (forest)
Obsticles: trees
Mana supply: Medium
Not on casters Territory

Caster

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Lancer

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by **dinasemrys** 2010-09-25, 15:30

caster would use marble phantasm cuz medium mana source + A mana = able to use EX weapon. then merlin would just sit in his fort and wait til the dragons kill lancer. in addition, he could just make a weaker version of cybele that paralyzes below D rank and significantly slows down at C rank mana. or even better, make an A rank gae bulg (cuz caster can use his second NP 3 times when not on a leyline.
wow, and lancer doesnt even have magic resistance... caster can cast A rank and A+ rank spells...

by ZedSlayer 2010-09-25, 15:34

Ruyi is long enough for the monkey king to hit Merlin without getting caught in his Reality marble, even if he somehow does get caught, he can jump over the dragons and kick Merlin's ass, so fast that they can't catch up, or he cna just turtle until the marble collapses.

by **dinasemrys** 2010-09-25, 15:37

there are tree obstacles and ruyi is an EX NP. This makes it consume a lot of mana. Your servant only has C mana. You wont even be able to see caster in the beginning due to the trees. Caster has ample time to summon his marble.
Plus u dont understand, it isnt a reality marble its a MARBLE PHANTASM. and dragons are much faster than humans no matter how powerful the human. humans can only beat dragons with anti-dragon sword.
Did you even consider that caster can use A rank spells in one verse while you have no magic resistance? Or his ability to see into the future?

by **nullset12** 2010-09-25, 15:46

I'm pretty sure that you can't just
AVOID a marble phantasm -.-

thats really fail larry

besides, caster almost has godlike spellcasting like medea. instead of having to say nothing, he just has to say one word ... like gandr and then blow you up instantly

by **InteroVegas** 2010-09-25, 15:50

Again, the page never said the dragons fight the other person, you can say it is implied, but if the original story is merlin just watched them fight, tough sh1t, monkey king goes and uses super powered extendo thing, he could break down the fort in 1 strike . . . . . with a ridiculously heavy weapons being extended and swung he can topple the fort, and be agile and dodge merlins spells while smashing him, lancer takes the cake here.

Also, MONKEY KING ISN'T HUMAN, HE IS A FREAKING STONE MONKEY THING, HE is a monkey that moves and talks like a human, except he has ridiculous strength, my total belief is that beyond him already being able to beat this guy, monkey king was on par with the god of war, he freaking wins.

by **nullset12** 2010-09-25, 15:55

Peinan you owe me

Essentially in a marble phantasm, merlin can make anything and everything. So, he could definitely do a "blade spam" and crush the monkey king

by **dinasemrys** 2010-09-25, 15:55

you cant destroy objects in a marble phantasm... plus merlin can see where lancer is going to dodge and know how to attack him in a way that he cant dodge. besides this monkey king isnt the monkey king in legends. its much weaker in comparison. its so weak that it could be considered on the level of a really strong human.

by **nullset12** 2010-09-25, 15:59

And a really really strong human is still HUMAN

by **InteroVegas** 2010-09-25, 16:00

dinasemrys wrote:you cant destroy objects in a marble phantasm... plus merlin can see where lancer is going to dodge and know how to attack him in a way that he cant dodge. besides this monkey king isnt the monkey king in legends. its much weaker in comparison. its so weak that it could be considered on the level of a really strong human.

That really good future vision isn't totally perfect, + if you are seeing the future you aren't seeing that present at that moment, and simply because you see an attack coming does not mean you can dodge it (an exaggerated example would be like a goku kamehameha at the planet, wonderful, you get 2 or 3 minutes notice, that you are about to be hit by a planet sized laser, have fun dodging that). Monkey king can use his extended staff to swing through all the trees, when it comes to this character you are leaving so much open ended, I am truly considering your character, and find him inferior to monkey king in a 1 on 1 battle. If this was merlin against some army, I would think Merlin by far the winner.

AND, monkey king can wait out of the boundaries of that thing, and wait for merlin to run out of mana, even if merlin can last a really long time, he will eventually hit a limit, and then he is fvcked, while the monkey king can go and melee fry.

by **nullset12** 2010-09-25, 16:03

Lets put it this way .... he could see the monkey kings ACTIONS three days in advance ....

so merlin could CRUSH lancer beneath his feet in a surprise attack

by **InteroVegas** 2010-09-25, 16:07

and monkey king can resurrect, and seeing how ruyi is super strong and the monkey king is super strong, merlin would go splat in one blow. And with the monkey kings strength and agility, merlin wont be able to dodge that through physical means. I have seen quite a few shows where the enemy can see future attacks, so they mob him with something undodgeable.

by **The Lord Kelvin** 2010-09-25, 16:11

nullset12 wrote:Peinan you owe me

Essentially in a marble phantasm, merlin can make anything and everything. So, he could definitely do a "blade spam" and crush the monkey king

ah wtf, when the hell did marble phantasm get approved.... damnit kaede, sad face Sad

.... (too lazy to get the pic)
only true ancestors hve the ability of marble phantasm.... marlin isn't a vampire, now is he?
the right term to use shud've been reality marble.... reality marbles r based on the mage themselves tho, so no, he wudn't b able to "blade spam", also the earth will eventually crush the reality marble as it is a disturbance to the force... jk, dun remember exactly y it happens, but it does.....

also even if it were a marble phantasm, it wud drain the mana from merlin even more than a reality marble..... he wudn't b able to maintain it forever

by **nullset12** 2010-09-25, 16:13

He has A mana ... thats good enough

And yes he means marble phantasm ... he can create dragons, blades and whatever from his time period

by **InteroVegas** 2010-09-25, 16:13

Oh cool, thanks for that info kelvin, so this character was not made to regulations then? a move that utterly controls reality, that will get shut out by the world, sounds like after it goes poof, merlin is in for hell. scales tipped from merlin to monkey king, Razz

. Is this the last match?

by **nullset12** 2010-09-25, 16:17

sigh .... (shakes head)

he can still do those things without a marble phantasm activated.

he can still summon dragons

he can still create swords
this long reaching staff thing could probably be broken

and are you forgetting that he could probably do a caster style LASER SPAM?

idc how fast you are , you can probably not avoid that

by **InteroVegas** 2010-09-25, 16:21

think, this staff is 8.1 tons, how dense would that be now?

The dragons don't attack anyone else but themselves, wonderful.

Ok wonderful he can make swords. Monkey king can whop him with his staff.

resorting to other characters moves are we? Since when could merlin cast lasers hmm? So say he can, the weapon can probably block them without breaking just fine, and in order to dodge a gun, or a laser firing weapon, you dodge the imaginary line continuing from where the bullet or laser is fired, and avoid that line, and with A in agility, how hard would that be?. Now to dodge a pole that will cripple you in one hit, that can go in just about direction, have fun dodging that.

by **The Lord Kelvin** 2010-09-25, 16:21

yes he can summon swords, but no, he can't summon dragons (dragons r part of the marble phantasm), plus he's not on a major leyline (an area of high mana concentration), so he can only produce 3 swords a day (read the description), plus no fort renders him defensless against monkey king.... i've voted for swen wu kong

by **nullset12** 2010-09-25, 16:24

Jesus christ ... laser spam wins

by **dinasemrys** 2010-09-25, 16:24

wait now im confused... why cant he summon dragons? you dont necessarily have to be a true ancestor or elemental to use marble phantasm. this is seen by sumire having one.

by **InteroVegas** 2010-09-25, 16:25

GRAAAH, PEOPLE, the dragons were never specified to fight for him, you say "Amos that is being technical", well if Merlin had simply been watching them fight, there is no reason that they have any relation to listening to him. If dragons are so powerful, they are already ignoring everything else around them, like that fort merlin was in when he was staring at the dragon fight.

This also means sigurd is very likely to lose.

by **The Lord Kelvin** 2010-09-25, 16:26

regardless (i'll look into this and report bak), he still can't maintain it forever, plus the dragons r in the description for ur marble phantasm, not as an ability....

by **nullset12** 2010-09-25, 16:26

WAIT A SECOND ....

you can't just leave the monkey king with a "one time regeneration"

cause how would we know when he died once?

Furthermore, assuming he CREATED (cause he did) the marble phantasmal area, the dragons he summons are utterly loyal to him

by **The Lord Kelvin** 2010-09-25, 16:29

doesn't matter marble phantasm doesn't last forever.....
one time regeneration... guess we cud say it doubles his endurance

by **dinasemrys** 2010-09-25, 16:29

he doesnt need to maintain it forever. marble phantasm changes nature in a way that is acceptable. as a result, gaia does not feel the need to destroy them like with reality marbles. it only takes mana for merlin to make and destroy the marble phantasm, not maintain it.

by **The Lord Kelvin** 2010-09-25, 16:30

im saying that monkey king can kill the remaining dragons.....

by **nullset12** 2010-09-25, 16:31

And they would spontaneously regenerate. Thats just a part of the marble phantasm idea

by **The Lord Kelvin** 2010-09-25, 16:32

.... that makes no sense... not in description, also marble phantasm uses a massive amount of mana, so merlin will run out, even if he were on a leyline

by **nullset12** 2010-09-25, 16:34

WAIT No.....

Arcuied was able to maintain hers indefinitely in melty blood as long as she kept focus ...

Gaia powers it in the first place

by **The Lord Kelvin** 2010-09-25, 16:35

that's cause she's from type moon, gaia and type moon made a deal that type moon can live on the planet as long as he protects it

by **dinasemrys** 2010-09-25, 16:36

the regenerating dragons IS IN the description. plus u have no idea how much mana a marble phantasm takes. at MAX, its prob a reality marble * 2. since even frigging shiro can use reality marble with fail mana, merlin can definitely use marble phantasm without being completely drained.

by **InteroVegas** 2010-09-25, 16:37

especially if he is regenerating dragons, because nature totally accepts instantly regenerating behemoth sized creatures.

This comment is only partially relevant - what does witnessing a pair of dragons fight have to do with summoning those two dragons

by **The Lord Kelvin** 2010-09-25, 16:37

merlin wud def not hve as much mana as arcuid who cud only activate it once at 30% (in tsukihime vs roa)
regeneration wud b from marble phantasm, which merlin wud hve to maintain for it to happen, so when merlin runs out of mana, he'd b screwed

by **nullset12** 2010-09-25, 16:39

ugh .... we are gonna need more votes

idk about this mana thing ... either way, it shouldn't take long for the dragons to crush the monkey king

by **The Lord Kelvin** 2010-09-25, 16:40

regerneration relies on marble phantasm, which relies on merlin's mama
when merlin's mana can't maintain the marble phantasm, dragons dun hve regeration

by **InteroVegas** 2010-09-25, 16:41

and so the monkey king can go wait away from the dragons, this is like saying "the monkey king will go fight the dragons, so merlin doesn't have to worry" or will the dragons chase him around the town and through buildings.

by **nullset12** 2010-09-25, 16:44

Its his own little universe, he can't just "run away"

by **InteroVegas** 2010-09-25, 16:45

so the universe is a small looping space? is that supposed to be a fact about the universe in reality? And if he hides behind a tree the dragons will be able to find him? "Merlin can see the future" so what? he can see the future of someone he has never met? Just spontaneously?

by **nullset12** 2010-09-25, 16:46

It is in the marble phantasm

by **InteroVegas** 2010-09-25, 16:47

so merlin can find any one and anything by the seeing the future? future vision is not scrying.

by **nullset12** 2010-09-25, 16:48

Wow eragon reference...

seriously idk these things are too vague

by **InteroVegas** 2010-09-25, 16:51

no that was not an eragon reference, that was vocabulary, scrying has long since existed as a term before it did in Eragon, like MTG cards, and they dont pull words out of nowhere. This isn't a death rex, if it was, merlin would win, death rex has a vague power that has no limit, and no requirements for energy, beyond keeping his mouth open, (see him, and you will see thats not really a problem). Merlin needs mana for his powers, so even if they are vague, they are limited by his mana, which he may have a large amount of, but not an infinite amount of, and then monkey king can hid within this guys phantasm.

by **M. Ainsel** 2010-09-25, 16:54

Lol what a great game, you battle by bickering over imaginary combat. Screw the d20 system, we can argue!

by **InteroVegas** 2010-09-25, 17:02

yup, thats the typical thing people do when talking about anime characters.

by **nullset12** 2010-09-25, 20:16

You can't hide in merlin's own world ... thats a paradox in itself

by **InteroVegas** 2010-09-25, 20:31

no thats false, even if it his world, that does not mean he knows the location of everyone in it, merely because he knows the layout of the land does not mean he knows where on the land the people are hiding. If person A's world had 10 trees in it, and person B was hiding behind one of those trees. Person A does not necessarily know where person B is hiding.

by ZedSlayer 2010-09-25, 21:25

it says "Not on Caster's Territory" in the description, does that mean that Merlin's reality Marble Phantasm Whatever thingy is not activated or what?

by **InteroVegas** 2010-09-25, 21:30

no, it means it not on merlins advantageous modified territory. All the same LANCER WINS YAYYYYYYY 4:2, gg.

by ZedSlayer 2010-09-25, 21:47

oh, well regardless, I win

by **nullset12** 2010-09-25, 21:56

sigh ... i am very sorry peinan

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